Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A00F8C044 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 16:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 34425 invoked by uid 500); 8 Jun 2012 16:07:50 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 33836 invoked by uid 500); 8 Jun 2012 16:07:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact flex-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 33819 invoked by uid 99); 8 Jun 2012 16:07:50 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:07:50 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of sa3ruby@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.160.175] (HELO mail-gh0-f175.google.com) (209.85.160.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:07:44 +0000 Received: by ghbz2 with SMTP id z2so1299538ghb.6 for ; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 09:07:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=8XAD683y5hNWRtNWIvN4WI8hNEeI5TtovEFPkiBNvXM=; b=IXWdj/nu+jmnat4pXLZWEwtkbNvWmaPQE+1wNco7zKMbHgE2Qni4WSDxQT0xmwHeJ8 E6sPSuebT9+7rVDr/ms1Fo33dfbooVZktPScR2/Kh2L55GNMgmYFnv4e1DvXyQy2k56p cahet87fA7sUdP2zTQUh0HIJp3XyDxjJKRF04AzhA2M9gKkPK4UL95z9Ct35CzRNUBfI KKoWPjQKZYGpK5TazgsoTs9qmh2MeeHzx+C6bO/E7n9CnXWdeUja+o4M5SGcX0FAbIDe iPfzLcotb/jDl3NnxffADqzJmrKiHjVW94p/6BHhIhry2EkxCVPD45KCkTGbC8bG4eol xMqg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.197.167 with SMTP id iv7mr3045501igc.32.1339171642782; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 09:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Sender: sa3ruby@gmail.com Received: by 10.231.17.196 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:07:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6C3B1705-9388-4A6E-9CB1-B0EB5596C9A1@gbiv.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:07:22 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: J4SJBY-ujYGsFVvleXSKU1d-wys Message-ID: Subject: Re: [MENTORS] Third Party source From: Sam Ruby To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote: > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: >> I fear we are miscommunicating again. >> Only the copyright owner is allowed to (re)move copyright notices >> or permit others to (re)move them on the owner's behalf. > > Interesting, why is that? Is it so by the law? It would be helpful if somebody could point out the actual words in the copyright headers being discussed. I may have missed it. The copyright holder may impose limits on copying. I have seen headers that say, in effect, that you are welcome to copy the source as long as you retain this header intact. Meanwhile, much of the goodwill the ASF has accumulated over the years is due to our policy of only accepting voluntary contributions. We should not throw that away lightly. In this case, Adobe isn't hard to reach here. We should seek their opinion, and respect it. If Adobe wishes us to retain the headers, my opinion is that we should evaluate the impact that such a request will have on the community, and either follow their request or decline the contribution. If Adobe collectively takes the time to understand our position and agrees to moving it, there are a number of ways that this can be expressed clearly. I still maintain that having an Adobe employee do such a move would be the simplest and clearest way, but other ways are possible too. > Kalle - Sam Ruby