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From "christofer.dutz@c-ware.de" <christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
Subject AW: Review after first months of Apache Flex, new guidelines and keeping Flex alive
Date Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:05:03 GMT

Just a short question ... what problems are you actually having with Jira? Is it the availability
of an instance? The migration of Issues allready reported to Adobe? ... I would assume there
is a huge bunch of old issues that should be migrated into the Apache Flex Jira. After stepping
in to continue work on Flexmojos, one of my first tasks was to migrate the Sonatype Jira Issues
to the new Flexmojos Jira ... I created a Java based tool that does this via REST interface
(And a lot of hand-written Json requests). So If this is indeed your main problem with Jira,
just contact me and I'll send you my migrator code.

I too have seen several developers turn their backs on Flex, but those were mainly people
that never really got very far in learning Flex. For me and my company Flex is still ultra-important
and will be for the future. That's also one of the reasons for me taking over in the Flexmojos
project. For me the change of Flex mooving to Apache offers more chances than risks. I know
the first start will be hard, as it allways is as soon as you are presented a huge pile of
code that you now have to start maintaining, but I guess on the long run there will be by
far mor benefits from it. Just to name some:
- Perhaps Flex SDK will eventually be available for Maven
- Freely available Automation will eventually make more and better tools available
- Mabe some day we will have a Profiler that will work in other IDEs (Don't know if this is
a Flex or a FB + FP thing)

Well those were my 50ct :-)


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Von: Justin Mclean [mailto:justin@classsoftware.com] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Juni 2012 04:44
An: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Review after first months of Apache Flex, new guidelines and keeping Flex alive


I also had hoped we would be a lot further along in the process by now. There's a variety
of reasons for this, but it's just mostly it's that things just have taken a lot longer than
everyone originally expected.
We are still trying to sort out the JIRA infrastructure (there been work on this and last
I heard they were about to do a test import again), the full Mustalla test suite (Adobe have
donated the checkin tests and tests for button) and working the parity 4.6 SDK release (which
need to abide by certain fairly restrictive conditions to what can/cant be packaged in it).
While I couldn't predict when those 3 things will be complete significant progress have been
made on all of them.

Adobe does have full time resources (Alex and Carol) working on further donations and getting
the first parity release out the door and others are helping where they can/as required.

Once these 3 items are complete (JIRA, testing framework, initial parity release)  we'll likely
to see a lot more activity from current committers and Flex SDK  users and then Adobe resources
can work on donation of other parts of Flex SDK that are yet to be donated (like automation,
new spark  components, new compiler etc).

I have quite a few things I would like to work on (time permitting) but without JIRA and a
full testing framework it's difficult to be able to commit patches and new code to the SDK.

>      - We are attached to an application that could die at anytime as have
>      already happened Flash Catalyst, Flash Player Debugger for Linux and
>      others.
The Flex SDK is not a product as such so can't suffer the same fate as say Catalyst. The Flash
Player  is still being supported by Adobe and is part  of Adobe's future plans. I assume you've
seen the FlashPlayer roadmap for the next several versions of the Flash Player?

>   - there is a really fast movement from people that loved Flex to
>   technologies such as javascript + html5 + css3, including some core people
>   from Apache Flex.
Some of the "core" people are exploring the use of other technologies but that is normal,
being a programmer/developer mean continual learning and playing about with new technologies.
I been using Javascript since way back in the IE3/Netscape days and I'll use it again but
that doesn't mean I'm moving away from Flex. :-)

>   - some flex projects are becoming ghosts (no commits for quite some time)
Any projects in particular? I know for instance FlexLib hasn't been getting a lot of love
but that was the case well before Flex moved to Apache. as3 commons on the other hand is in
active development. One way to try and fix this would be to try and get people from this list
involved in contributing to those projects.

>   - blogs about flex are dying or moving to other technologies
IMO Blogs tend to written about new "exciting" emerging technologies. Flex as a mature and
proven technology doesn't attract the large audience that most bloggers want.


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