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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:04:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Ariel Jakobovits <arieljake@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [RT] Awesome FlexNext User Experience (was: Starting with the
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>=A0An interactive tutorial=0AWould it be a lot of work for us to set up a =
server that could compile Flex code and return a compiled swf for a beginne=
r to see as they follow a lesson plan and learn to program Flex?=0A=A0=0AAr=
iel Jakobovits=0AEmail: arieljake@yahoo.com=0APhone: 650-690-2213=0AFax: 65=
0-641-0031=0ACell: 650-823-8699=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A=
 From: JP Bader <jp@zavteq.com>=0ATo: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org =0ASent=
: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:07 AM=0ASubject: Re: [RT] Awesome FlexNext Us=
er Experience (was: Starting with the Whiteboard code)=0A =0AAgreed.=A0 One=
 of the things we need to also demonstrate is the ease of=0Adevelopment con=
cept, something that David pointed out with Sencha, Go=0Aand even tryruby.o=
rg.=A0 An interactive tutorial would be great for=0Agetting Apache Flex out=
 to the masses for ease of use, and examples=0Ashould be focused on current=
-day use cases.=0A=0AI have tons of examples that are useful in my bookmark=
 bar, and those=0Arange from Flash IDE to Flashbuilder IDE, all using actio=
nscript, but=0Anot necessarily the same codebase nor framework.=A0 Should w=
e suggest a=0Apage added to the wiki for creating/displaying/cataloguing th=
ese=0Alearning experiences?=0A=0AJP=0A=0AOn Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:02 AM, =
Greg Lafrance <glafrance@ipass.com> wrote:=0A> I'd also like to see a showc=
ase of applications developed that not only=0A> inspire developers as to wh=
at's possible, but provide useful code either=0A> for developers creating p=
roof or concepts for internal approval or as=0A> starting code for actual p=
rojects.=0A>=0A> This would not be a tour de flex, but rather a number of b=
asic applications=0A> for various industries. So for example basic apps for=
:=0A>=0A> - allowing users to manage images they have gathered (possibly an=
 AIR app)=0A> - showing financial data for some stocks, with charts based o=
n financial=0A> data=0A> - a shopping cart=0A> - managing one's social netw=
orks (Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc)=0A> - mobile AIR apps that offer an=
 appropriate subset of each app=0A>=0A> This would not be done quickly or e=
asily, but if such apps are planned=0A> well, and created, and offered as o=
pen source code (with whatever is the=0A> appropriate license), developers =
from a variety of industries can more=0A> quickly jump into using Flex.=0A>=
=0A> One thing I was amazed at is that Adobe never (and most tech companies=
=0A> never do) created such multi-industry sample apps, which over time cou=
ld=0A> include sample backend code, and become more complex sample apps.=0A=
>=0A> Not easy, but along with stunningly excellent documentation, can get=
=0A> developers swarming to Apache Flex.=0A>=0A> BTW, I really love the new=
 logo. Very kool!=0A> Greg=0A>=0A> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Martin =
Heidegger <mh@leichtgewicht.at>wrote:=0A>=0A>> Dear List,=0A>>=0A>> it can =
be hard to find a vision for the next version of Flex. Developers=0A>> like=
 us like discussions about technical details and they are boring.=0A>>=0A>>=
 I think that is not enough! I think we need something that inspires us to=
=0A>> create something new - something that makes us believe that the thing=
s=0A>> created with Apache Flex are awesome.=0A>>=0A>> We can make awesome =
things!=0A>>=0A>> I propose following: Lets ask everyone who listens for us=
er experience=0A>> concepts - full or partial. Things that they could see F=
lex is going to so=0A>> the PPMC get a better feeling how awesome they coul=
d be.=0A>>=0A>> The proposals should be split in a few categories:=0A>>=0A>=
> =A0*) _HTML/JS compatible:_ To compile mxmlc/AS3 -> html/js the concept h=
as=0A>> to work within the restrictions of HTML/JS with a optional royal lo=
ok and=0A>> feel when being built for Flash without breaking the system.=0A=
>>=0A>> =A0*) _Flash super-powered:_ Systems that leverage the power of the=
 current=0A>> version of the Flash Player without thinking for a second abo=
ut HTML: Stage=0A>> 3D / HD videos / JPEG XR / Slick custom fonts / Pixelbe=
nder effects /=0A>> (generated audio) / ...=0A>>=0A>> =A0*) _Touch centric:=
_ Focussing on the fingers: Swipe/Zoom/Rotate/Expand/**Swoosh/...=0A>> Thes=
e concepts don't need to care about a mouse or keyboard.=0A>>=0A>> =A0*) _F=
ully portable:_ Interfaces flexible enough to be represented in the=0A>> st=
yle of various Operation systems without neglecting our need for style.=0A>=
> Awesome on Mac/iOS/Windows/Android with few adaptations.=0A>>=0A>> Some r=
ule-of-thumbs I can think of:=0A>>=0A>> =A0 * Responsiveness is key: The mo=
re stuff that has to run at a time the=0A>> less likely it will rock.=0A>> =
=A0 * All assets should be open-source: Don't build on royal fonts or=0A>> =
imagery.=0A>>=0A>> What would you think of such a request? Is that somethin=
g that the PPMC=0A>> think is useful? Should we rock that?=0A>>=0A>> Note: =
The various concepts should be presented in the Wiki.=0A>>=0A>> yours=0A>> =
Martin.=0A>>=0A>>=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0AJP Bader=0APrincipal=0AZavteq, Inc.=0A@l=
ordB8r | jp@zavteq.com=0A608.692.2468
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