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Adobe Connect.[1] It very clearly leverages Flash as you suggest. In =
many of the same ways. Some are switching to that from GotoMeeting.

Apache OpenMeetings[2] is in the incubator.

[1] http://www.adobe.com/products/adobeconnect.html
[2] http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/

On Jan 28, 2012, at 1:05 PM, jude wrote:

> The Flash Player is unique in that it creates markets. When Adobe or
> Macromedia added webcam support all of a sudden video chat =
applications are
> possible, QR code readers are made possible, augmented reality is made
> possible, face recognition is made possible, motion tracking is made
> possible, etc. (add "on a mass scale" to all of these things.)
>=20
> When they added microphone support speech to text is made possible, =
podcast
> applications are made possible, voip are made possible, live digital =
audio
> software is made possible.
>=20
> When they added video decoding support movies and television content =
were
> made possible.
>=20
> At each of these points in time Adobe had a potential opportunity. =
Think of
> all the businesses that exist because of these features. Theoretically
> speaking they could have made a Skype (and still can), they could and =
can
> make a Google Voice, they could and can make an iTunes. They could and =
did
> make a GoToMeeting but that's another story. But I *wouldn't* =
recommend
> them doing these things (not if it means laying off other teams). They =
are
> great at tooling and I think they should focus on that but there is a =
way
> for them to benefit from all of these innovations.
>=20
> If I was trying to make Flash profitable I would have someone on the =
Flash
> Player and Flex SDK feature releases and forums and watch for and =
promote
> new projects using their new features. Then I'd invest in those =
developers
> and companies and do everything I can to make them successful. As the
> developers and companies are successful, Adobe would be successful =
too.
> They'd also have a continual insight into the features and needs for =
their
> design and developer tools. Alex, I'll available immediately for this
> position ;)
>=20
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Roland Zwaga [mailto:roland@stackandheap.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:33 AM
>>> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [OT] Atlassian
>>>=20
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>=20
>>> So I'm trying to understand
>>> where
>>> this disconnect between Adobe and its enterprise
>>> customers stemmed from, when Atlassian is a great example of a =
company
>>> who
>>> IS able to make money in that area.
>>> Like I said before, I'm not attacking/bashing Adobe, I'm just trying =
to
>>> understand where things went wrong.
>>>=20
>> I'm not involved in the business part of Adobe, but again, Atlassian =
can
>> get money from each employee at an enterprise customer. The Flash =
Platform
>> only gets money from each developer at an enterprise customer.
>>=20
>> Frameworks are expensive and many very successful ones like JQuery =
are
>> 'free' and developed in the open. Adobe is trying to best serve its =
Flex
>> customers by following the same model.
>>=20
>> The 'disconnect' was in the execution of the announcement of these
>> changes, as has been discussed.
>>=20
>> Alex Harui
>> Flex SDK Developer
>> Adobe Systems Inc.
>> Blog: http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20