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From: Douglas Arthur <darthur@vmware.com>
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Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:30:00 -0800
Subject: flex-users mailing list (starting over)
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Bertrand sent out an initial email with the subject "Do we want a flex-user=
s list now, and who volunteers to moderate it?" [1]. This was a follow up o=
f the subject "IRC Channel link on website?" [2].

In a subsequent follow up, Bertrand clarified his statement to read as foll=
ows: "...if some (say at least 3) PPMC members think it's a good idea to ha=
ve a users mailing list now, and agree to moderate it, I'd say let's create=
 it." [3]

Bertrand, if you disagree after all the emails being thrown around yesterda=
y, I'll let this rest. So please chime in here if you can.

There are a few strong reasons I feel this list should be created now. I wi=
ll list them out here.

1.       Users can subscribe to the flex-users list so they don't have to s=
huffle through the slew of emails being generated on the flex-dev list.

a.       We can then post to the list when the first release is done, and t=
hose users will be notified via the list.

b.      Users can suggest features there for now, or have conversations of =
their own on the future of Apache Flex without being mingled into our discu=
ssions and productivity of moving things forward. Of course, discussions on=
 features or anything we think will be done with the project will have to h=
ave further discussions on the flex-dev list with the idea that "if it does=
n't happen here, it didn't happen".

2.       I think everyone has agreed that we will eventually need this list=
 anyhow. What's the harm in creating it now if the volunteer moderators are=
 willing to accept the responsibility to make sure important conversations =
don't happen there, and that help for Adobe Flex is redirected to the appro=
priate resources rather than being discussed on the flex-users list. [4]

3.       Having this user list now will help create that community for when=
 the release is made available.


Again, to clarify, the moderators would be responsible for making sure disc=
ussions that belong on the flex-dev list find their way there. Part of the =
arguments from yesterday where surrounding the discussion on "Best Coding P=
ractices". It's very strong that the consensus from the community is to NOT=
 have that discussion on the flex-users list, and I completely agree. That =
discussion belongs here on the flex-dev list. I don't want that discussion =
to sway this discussion in any way. Please keep that discussion separate fr=
om the need of creating the flex-users list, they are completely different =
topics, keep it that way - I'll shut up about that now.

I expect this list to be low volume initially. It'll be a good low volume c=
hannel that users can subscribe to so they can stay in the loop of the prog=
ress of the Apache Flex project, without having to be bombarded by emails t=
hat are pointless to them, and then getting lost in all the shuffle. If the=
 list grows, moderator's that volunteer will be responsible for managing it=
, let those volunteers decide if they responsibility now, or later.

I may have repeated myself in several ways here, I apologize for the long e=
mail. I just want it to be really clear to the purpose, and I haven't heard=
 anyone speak to any of my points yet. So please, I want to hear why or why=
 not on whether my ideas or good or bad.

Finally, in the previous thread, there were enough volunteers (unless they =
want to withdraw now?). In addition, is there anyone else willing to volunt=
eer?

1.       Myself

2.       Anne Kathrine Petter=F8e [5]

3.       Jeffry Houser [6]

[1] http://markmail.org/message/hul5gatl5vlgsxhc
[2] http://markmail.org/message/lobaecgn4q2qvm37
[3][4] http://markmail.org/message/sbuho7p4tcmn4zy6
[5] http://markmail.org/message/pmoaxe7dhe73ekle
[6] http://markmail.org/message/c2hd6qna244tftzr

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