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From jude <flexcapaci...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [OT] Atlassian
Date Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:23:25 GMT
Very cool...

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:

> Adobe Connect.[1] It very clearly leverages Flash as you suggest. In many
> of the same ways. Some are switching to that from GotoMeeting.
>
> Apache OpenMeetings[2] is in the incubator.
>
> [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/adobeconnect.html
> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>
> On Jan 28, 2012, at 1:05 PM, jude wrote:
>
> > The Flash Player is unique in that it creates markets. When Adobe or
> > Macromedia added webcam support all of a sudden video chat applications
> are
> > possible, QR code readers are made possible, augmented reality is made
> > possible, face recognition is made possible, motion tracking is made
> > possible, etc. (add "on a mass scale" to all of these things.)
> >
> > When they added microphone support speech to text is made possible,
> podcast
> > applications are made possible, voip are made possible, live digital
> audio
> > software is made possible.
> >
> > When they added video decoding support movies and television content were
> > made possible.
> >
> > At each of these points in time Adobe had a potential opportunity. Think
> of
> > all the businesses that exist because of these features. Theoretically
> > speaking they could have made a Skype (and still can), they could and can
> > make a Google Voice, they could and can make an iTunes. They could and
> did
> > make a GoToMeeting but that's another story. But I *wouldn't* recommend
> > them doing these things (not if it means laying off other teams). They
> are
> > great at tooling and I think they should focus on that but there is a way
> > for them to benefit from all of these innovations.
> >
> > If I was trying to make Flash profitable I would have someone on the
> Flash
> > Player and Flex SDK feature releases and forums and watch for and promote
> > new projects using their new features. Then I'd invest in those
> developers
> > and companies and do everything I can to make them successful. As the
> > developers and companies are successful, Adobe would be successful too.
> > They'd also have a continual insight into the features and needs for
> their
> > design and developer tools. Alex, I'll available immediately for this
> > position ;)
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Roland Zwaga [mailto:roland@stackandheap.com]
> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:33 AM
> >>> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [OT] Atlassian
> >>>
> >>> Hi Alex,
> >>>
> >>> So I'm trying to understand
> >>> where
> >>> this disconnect between Adobe and its enterprise
> >>> customers stemmed from, when Atlassian is a great example of a company
> >>> who
> >>> IS able to make money in that area.
> >>> Like I said before, I'm not attacking/bashing Adobe, I'm just trying to
> >>> understand where things went wrong.
> >>>
> >> I'm not involved in the business part of Adobe, but again, Atlassian can
> >> get money from each employee at an enterprise customer. The Flash
> Platform
> >> only gets money from each developer at an enterprise customer.
> >>
> >> Frameworks are expensive and many very successful ones like JQuery are
> >> 'free' and developed in the open. Adobe is trying to best serve its Flex
> >> customers by following the same model.
> >>
> >> The 'disconnect' was in the execution of the announcement of these
> >> changes, as has been discussed.
> >>
> >> Alex Harui
> >> Flex SDK Developer
> >> Adobe Systems Inc.
> >> Blog: http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

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