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From Sebastian Mohr <masul...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: What about Cairngorm 3?
Date Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:26:53 GMT
@Nick ... Thx and sorry to disagree ... Please have 
a look for the word "best-practices" on this website:


@All ... sorry to bother you again :(

-- Sebastian

On Jan 12, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:

> Sebastian/Rui,
> There is a reason why even Adobe never published a "Best Practices"
> document when writing Flex (for small projects or even enterprise).  Best
> Practices, espically when you start to bring in frameworks are not a
> "one-size fits-all" type of model.  Patterns that I use for large apps that
> use Fiber are /completely/ different than those that done.  Patterns that I
> use for apps that I share libraries with mobile or TV based apps are
> /completely/ different than those enterprise apps that run in my 911
> centers.  Some of these apps I've written use the popular frameworks --
> many do not.
> *Flex, itself is a framework*.  It doesn't force you into any particular
> coding convention, but in my eyes, that is for the better.  It leaves it up
> to the coder to best determine what is the best / most efficient / most
> correct for their own situation.  Sure, that will mean that we will have
> developers who write bad code -- but chances are those will be the same
> developers who don't understand WHY a recommendation is made -- only that
> is is right and that they need to follow it.  That helps nobody (they still
> write 'bad' code, it is just formatted according to the guidelines).
> Right now, what the incubator really needs is to get this project off the
> ground.  Once we get the code we need to work on the deficiencies that we
> identify for the SDK and framework to make it viable again for enterprises.
> This is where our effort should be put rather than trying
> to excerpt control over other developers, or make recommendations that
> really don't help out many people right now.  Right now the Flex SDK won't
> be getting any new users due to the PR statements of its previous creator.
> We need to turn that around before we tackle anything else.
> Now, a group like the Spoon Foundation (which is tasking itself with the
> education and promotion aspect of Flex) may be a good group to help put
> together recommendations.  But I think we have much more important things
> on our plat to busy ourselves with it.  Plus, my notes of having an
> 'official' document irks me the wrong way.
> -Nick
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Sebastian Mohr <masuland@gmail.com> wrote:
>> @Rui
>> Great that you've asked. I intended to cover this
>> topic today ;) The situation can be boiled down
>> to this question:
>> Will Apache Flex only be responsible for managing
>> the Flex SDK or will Apache Flex also be responsible
>> to define "Best Coding Practices" to build sustainable
>> Flex apps?
>> Some guys on this list seem to dislike that Apache Flex
>> should be responsible to define "Best Coding Practices"
>> for Flex, which IMHO I think is wrong.
>> When this debate has been clarified we will see if the
>> "Best Coding Practices" discussions have to move to
>> another mailing list, or not.
>> -- Sebastian
>> On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Rui Silva wrote:
>>> I've been seeing some discussions around best practices for Flex
>>> application development which led me to think about Cairngorm 3 which was
>>> large that: Some architectural best practices and supporting code
>>> libraries. Cairngorm is currently hosted on Sourceforge
>>> (http://sourceforge.net/adobe/cairngorm/home/Home/).
>>> Could this be a starting point?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Rui

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