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From Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Release cycle 2 months, soak period 2 weeks?
Date Fri, 08 Jan 2016 15:38:23 GMT
To provide another view: cutting releases "every two months" creates
*activity* which attracts users/developers. Going with a feature-based
release might end up with a long delay [until the feature(s) are done],
which then appears as stagnation.

We switched to date-based releases in Subversion's early development, and
interest dramatically spiked. We used a metaphor of a "train". If a feature
gets on the train, then great. If not ... no big deal. It will catch the
next train. No need to stress.

That said, I'll reinforce Ross' statement of keeping the main branch
buildable and useful. That enables a release according to any schedule or
need you'd like. And to get source here, as soon as possible.

Cheers,
-g


On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Ross Gardler <Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> Note, ASF projects will typically release "as required". Setting an
> expected cadence in policy is all fine.what matters is someone does the
> work.
>
> Keeping trunk in an "always releaseable" state is preferable to a promise
> of another release in x months. This means that anyone can cut a release
> and start the process at any time.
>
> Remember, Apache projects only release source code (binaries are only a
> convenience that some projects choose to provide). The goal is to allow
> downstream users more flexibility than an official release cycle documented
> in policy. That is cut a release whenever one is needed rather than when
> someone else in the community decides its time. Remember anyone (committer
> or otherwise) can produce a release candidate and releases cannot be vetoed
> (thigh releases need to be approved by the PPMc).
>
> I'm not trying to put a stop to policy working, but honestly, starting the
> removal of non-compliant licenses will get us to that first release much
> more quickly.
>
> Ross
>
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Myrle Krantz<mailto:mkrantz@mifos.org>
> Sent: ‎1/‎8/‎2016 9:57 AM
> To: dev@fineract.incubator.apache.org<mailto:
> dev@fineract.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Release cycle 2 months, soak period 2 weeks?
>
> I'm not entirely sure we are talking about the same thing.
>
> As I wrote in the document I sent to start this thread:
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fcwiki.apache.org%2fconfluence%2fdisplay%2fFINERACT%2fRelease%2bManagement&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cbd07f873744844790f8908d318122a65%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ObRmLmfpC6ceQGQZuXCe0ZcOR6kHo1kpInNIMNGom14%3d
>
> "Release branches are created every two months at the beginning of the
> following month from the changes that were merged by the last day of the
> previous month.
>
> If a feature is almost but not quite done at the end of the month, the
> release is not delayed for the feature.  That feature goes into the next
> release scheduled for two months later."
>
>
> If we choose to work according to the plan I described, then we would be
> working on a date-driven cadence, at least as I understand it.
>
> Of course we are releasing features and not tool bundles, so we won't make
> a release if there are no changes merged in those two months.  If there's
> even one change, I would expect a release.  And if that change is finished
> two days after the deadline, I would expect the release to come at the next
> two-monthly release.
>
> Gitlab does something similar, but with a release period of one month:
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fabout.gitlab.com%2f2015%2f12%2f07%2fwhy-we-shift-objectives-and-not-release-dates-at-gitlab%2f&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cbd07f873744844790f8908d318122a65%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=mPfHddysNWSr5Ny2Mn3WIiNm2l%2blpeZ9%2fBpvZMoKuKs%3d
>
>
> Greets,
>
> Myrle
>
>
>
>
> *Myrle Krantz*
> Solutions Architect
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>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Markus Geiss <markus.geiss@live.de> wrote:
>
> > On 01/07/2016 05:36 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 3:52 AM, Myrle Krantz <mkrantz@mifos.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Fin Fans,
> >>>
> >>> To start the conversation on release cycle, I've documented my
> suggestion
> >>> here:
> >>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fcwiki.apache.org%2fconfluence%2fdisplay%2fFINERACT%2fRelease%2bManagement&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cbd07f873744844790f8908d318122a65%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ObRmLmfpC6ceQGQZuXCe0ZcOR6kHo1kpInNIMNGom14%3d
> >>>
> >>> The additions to what was there before consist of:
> >>> * release cycle length added
> >>> * soak period shortened to better match release cycle length
> >>>
> >>
> >> Would it be possible to spell out your release cadence model more
> >> explicitly?
> >> Is it a date-driven cadence (like Ubuntu, lets say) or a feature-driven
> >> one?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Roman.
> >>
> >>
> > Given that we are releasing a software product, not a distribution of a
> > certain kind, e.g. Ubuntu, CentOS, Mint, I think a feature-driven
> > model.
> >
> > The development of Fineract will be driven by user requirements,
> > specific to the platform. Bundled libraries will only have influence
> > on the release schedule if a security issue was detected and fixed.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Markus
> >
> > .::YAGNI likes a DRY KISS::.
> >
>

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