Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-felix-users-archive@locus.apache.org Received: (qmail 20070 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2008 16:37:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 16:37:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 39482 invoked by uid 500); 9 Nov 2008 16:37:40 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-felix-users-archive@felix.apache.org Received: (qmail 39450 invoked by uid 500); 9 Nov 2008 16:37:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@felix.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: users@felix.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list users@felix.apache.org Received: (qmail 39439 invoked by uid 99); 9 Nov 2008 16:37:40 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:37:40 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of bcox@virtualschool.edu designates 76.96.30.16 as permitted sender) Received: from [76.96.30.16] (HELO QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.16) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:36:19 +0000 Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d2PJ1a0010mlR8UA14cv4t; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:36:55 +0000 Received: from imac.local ([69.243.2.172]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d4cr1a00J3igXoM8X4ctJy; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:36:54 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gcB6qATV3opQhd89jSsA:9 a=9x_5tTslZObSHwBEvTvv9FdMpnsA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 a=qmYdkHmqb51uc3M2My8A:9 a=a2g84ZNJnTqVdTKSsR4A:7 a=fZjSm7p4Mw-AYrN2h_XniHl_HhsA:4 a=kETjrAx_LhoA:10 a=n3BslyFRqc0A:10 a=QEkGX9cb6z4A:10 Message-ID: <491711A3.2030108@virtualschool.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:36:51 -0500 From: Brad Cox Reply-To: bcox@virtualschool.edu Organization: Virtual School User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: users@felix.apache.org Subject: Monolithic tools with trailer hitches References: <4916DA85.60906@virtualschool.edu> In-Reply-To: <4916DA85.60906@virtualschool.edu> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090100090106080306010301" X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --------------090100090106080306010301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've attached a recent graphic that shows what using eclipse, maven and osgi feels like to drive. Can anything be done to tighten up the integration between these three tools and their communities? With the library development communities? The situation is frankly horrendous for anyone climbing the learning curve. Some use ant, some use maven, others can't or won't, yada yada. Some tutorials use one, others use another, and so forth and so on. JDOM appears prominently because it seems to be the root of my problems. Three unpackaged classes throws everything off. But near as I can tell, they don't even know about the problem since they don't use maven or osgi. So it goes pretty much every step down the road. --------------090100090106080306010301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@felix.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@felix.apache.org --------------090100090106080306010301--