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From David Jencks <david_jen...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: Proposed Resolution: Establish Apache Karaf as a TLP
Date Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:53:15 GMT

On Jun 8, 2010, at 6:17 AM, Richard S. Hall wrote:

> On 6/7/10 18:12, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>> On Jun 7, 2010, at 1:22 PM, David Jencks wrote:
>>> On Jun 7, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>> This isn't too important, but I have to admit that
>>>>> charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>>>> open-source software related to an OSGI based runtime for
>>>>> creating enterprise servers
>>>> doesn't actually say anything meaningful to me because
>>>> it has too many happy market terms.
>>>> Would it be fair to summarize Karaf as
>>>> "an OSGI-based runtime container that allows various components
>>>> and applications to be dynamically deployed within a Java servlet
>>>> environment"
>>> No.  There is no necessary connection between karaf and servlets or web servers
or web applications, and even with a more general definition of "server" I think this misses
the point.   I'm sorry you don't like our wording, but we tried a lot of variations and this
is really the best we could come up with, and to me it's quite specific and accurate.
>> There is no way that "creating enterprise servers" is either specific
>> or accurate, unless you have some special definition of BOTH enterprise
>> and server that I am not aware of.  It is incorrect use of terminology.
>> You can describe your technology any way you want, but I need to
>> know what the scope of the project will be in order to vote for the
>> resolution, and the above is what I could guess from reading the
>> website content.  I don't know what Karaf is capable of doing.
>> I just want to know how to distinguish it from what Apache Felix
>> and Apache Sling are already responsible for overseeing, and I know
>> for a fact that Sling is already "creating enterprise servers"
>> by at least one definition of that phrase.  Please be more specific.
> How about something like:
>   A generic OSGi-based platform providing features and services for
>   creating OSGi-based server applications.

I already pointed out that karaf is not for creating applications, but for creating servers.

david jencks

> ?
> -> richard
>> ....Roy

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