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From "Karl Pauls" <karlpa...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Committers != PMC
Date Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:04:12 GMT
On 8/28/07, Carsten Ziegeler <cziegeler@apache.org> wrote:
> Marcel Offermans wrote:
> > On Aug 28, 2007, at 7:53 , Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> >
> >> as I found out the hard way, it seems that some of our committers are
> >> not on the pmc. In general, the pmc should include all committers as the
> >> pmc is the oversight of the project (of course there are exceptions to
> >> this rule).
> >>
> >> I think we should invite all committers who are currently not in the pmc
> >> to join.
> >
> > I'm no Apache guru, if committers == PMC I don't see why there are two
> > roles at all.
> The difference is a very thin line. Putting it very simple, committers
> can commit and the PMC can make the decisions like voting (on project
> related stuff like new committers etc.), veto a commit etc.
>
> > By looking at
> > http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles it seems to me that
> > it's very well possible that the PMC is a subset of the "developers and
> > committers". Looking at a couple of other projects (I could find lists
> > for Cayenne and Geronimo, but did not look at all of them) they both
> > have a difference between committers and PMC members.
> The general rule (though not a written one) is to try to get all
> committers on the pmc.

If it is a rule it should be written done somewhere no? Furthermore,
as Marcel points out, it definitely is not the case for a lot of other
Apache projects. Let alone that we are free to define our on processes
and rules I don't think I'd like a "lets just make all commiters PMC
members" rule. We do have a way to do this in Felix btw. (the last
person we added was Niclas) as you probably know.

> > In short, as long as there are two roles I don't think we should invite
> > all committers to become PMC members by default.
> Hmm, why not? What do we loose? We have some committers here who are not
> in the pmc and really should be on the pmc.

Well, your are on the PMC so it should be easy to propose those people
you think really should be on it to the other PMC members. Honestly, I
do not completely understand what you are trying to do here. The
process is clear - if you want certain people on the PMC you are free
to propose them and call a vote on the private list.

regards,

Karl

> And it's just an invitation; if someone feels that she does not want to be on the pmc,
> that's fine as well.
>
> Carsten
>
> --
> Carsten Ziegeler
> cziegeler@apache.org
>


-- 
Karl Pauls
karlpauls@gmail.com

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