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From "Aaron Siri" <Aaron.S...@efi.com>
Subject RE: Bundle plugin: Importing packages from non-bundles
Date Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:10:03 GMT
In maven-land the transitive closure would be embedded but you can control
how deep to walk the dependency tree.



Would put both jdom.jar and xml-apis.jar (a jdom dependency) on the classpath
and in the bundle.



Would not put xml-apis.jar (nor any of its dependencies) on the classpath or
in the bundle.


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard S. Hall [mailto:heavy@ungoverned.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 4:55 PM
To: felix-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Bundle plugin: Importing packages from non-bundles

It seems like I am getting mixed messages.

For further clarification, do you want the dependencies of embedded JAR files
to be ignored or do you want the transitive closure of those dependencies
embedded inside of the generated bundle and put on the bundle class path?

-> richard

Henrik Larsson wrote:
> I'm a co-worker with Emil, so we share the same view on this (I hope
> ;) ).
> On 12/6/06, Aaron Siri <Aaron.Siri@efi.com> wrote:
>> After our discussion I decided to go back and give the old plugin a 
>> try.  It is definitely buggy.  It seems to randomly add packages to 
>> Import-Package no matter where they come from (plain old jars or 
>> bundles.)  Maybe it is just me but I can't make any sense in what it 
>> is doing.
>> I think Emil (correct me if I'm wrong) and I would both like to see 
>> only packages from bundle dependencies added to Import-Package, not 
>> stuff from embedded plain old jars (which should instead be added to 
>> the
>> classpath.)
>> The new plugin's behavior for this is nice, as long as it only looks 
>> at bundle dependencies and not jar dependencies.  I think Emil is 
>> then saying that if both a bundle and a plain old jar provide a 
>> package then don't put it on Import-Package (i.e. let it resolve to 
>> the plain old jar via the
>> classpath.)  The embedded plain old jars should override bundles 
>> (maybe OSGi spec already dictates this.)
> Yes, this is exactly the kind of behavior we are looking for.
> It would be nice if everything could be bundles, but as that is not 
> the case we want to be able to embed plain old jars in our bundles 
> (preferably not inlined, but that's not a major point). Then 
> Import-Package should *only* contain packages that are exported by 
> other bundles, not packages used from plain old jars that are in the 
> Bundle-Classpath.
>> The Bundle-Classpath entry from the old plugin looks good though.
>> So, is anybody invited to work on the plugins?
>> -Aaron
>> P.S. I want to thank Richard and Peter for putting up with all of my 
>> questions/complaints.  I'm learning a lot in this newsgroup.
> Yes, thanks Richard and Peter. We very much appreciate your prompt and 
> elaborate replies.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard S. Hall [mailto:heavy@ungoverned.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:25 PM
>> To: felix-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Bundle plugin: Importing packages from non-bundles
>> Emil Eifrém wrote:
>> > On 12/6/06, Peter Kriens <Peter.Kriens@aqute.biz> wrote:
>> >> How can it NOT generate Import-Package for bundles that are on the 
>> >> Bundle-Classpath?
>> >
>> > Maybe this is a typo, but maybe it's important. I'm not going to 
>> > have any *bundles* on the Bundle-Classpath, I'm going to have plain
>> > (See my commons-logging example.) Does this make a difference?
>> >
>> >> This means you have unresolved dependencies in your code, which 
>> >> can give you very nasty problems during deployment and running the
>> >> That is like putting out class files that have compile errors.
>> >
>> > Hmm, then I'm mistaken about some OSGi fundamentals. I thought the 
>> > framework matched my bundle's Import-Packages to other bundles 
>> > Export-Packages. In this case, I don't want the framework to find a 
>> > bundle that provides the package since the package is provided by 
>> > the (plain, non-bundle) embedded jar on the Bundle-Classpath. 
>> > That's why I thought the plugin shouldn't add the package to the 
>> > Import-Package statement.
>> >
>> > Is this an incorrect understanding of how OSGi works?
>> Your understanding of OSGi is correct.
>> I think there is a misunderstanding about what you are describing.
>> You are saying that you don't want imports generated for the same 
>> packages contained inside of embedded JAR files on your bundle class 
>> path, correct? I think Peter thought you meant that you didn't want 
>> to generate imports for the packages required by the packages in your 
>> embedded JAR files. You want the latter, but not the former...you 
>> indicate that the former is probably a bug in the old plugin. 
>> Correct?
>> -> richard

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