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From Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org>
Subject Re: [proposal] Oscar OSGi Project
Date Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:43:22 GMT
On Tuesday 26 July 2005 01:47, Richard S. Hall wrote:

Roy, are you hinting that Incubation has not started, and may be turned down? 
Or is it talks towards graduation?

> There is no doubt about it, if I stop working on
> Oscar, it will die.

Many people want to see Oscar thrive and succeed. The fact that Richard 
recognizes the fragility of his own position, should give him all possible 

We can detect movement towards OSGi within the ASF from Cocoon, Directory, and 
possibly Maven. I suspect a few other projects are discussing the possibility 
too, especially if Oscar becomes a reality at the ASF.

Richard is here to learn the Apache Way and make himself redundant in the 
longer-term :o)  which is good for everyone involved. Several people at ASF 
is interested in becoming more involved in OSGi core development, learn the 
internal tricks and be part of the OSGi specification process. We can all do 
that by "leaving" ASF and join Richard, or he (and others) can join this 
large and joyful gang on well-proven grounds.

This is Incubation, if it doesn't work out the project can be terminated and 
continue elsewhere.

Also important note to remember in respect to contributions;
Richard mentioned that we are talking Oscar Core, and not the various bundles 
that has been contributed via the Oscar Bundle Repository. Also, we are 
talking about Oscar 2.0 which "doesn't really exist", at least not in terms 
of OSGi specification, since the R4 spec is not out yet. So, theoretically we 
can't work on the codebase, since there is no specification to implement, or 
be more precise, only Richard can work on it and not show it publicly. IMHO, 
this is also an issue that we need to address to some extent. What can and 
can not be done?

For the sake of perfection; Let's seek explicit grants from the individuals in 
question. After all, if you are willing to hand out a chunk of code over 
mail, the Apache ICLA shouldn't be much of a problem.

We will also need to see what comes out of the OSGi Alliance in respect to the 
R4 specification and licensing terms for independent implementations in 
general and ASF/ALv2 in particular.

Further down the road I envision ASF, possibly together with Eclipse 
Foundation, stepping up to the OSGi Alliance, and "help them" become more 
OpenSource friendly, as these two implementations will probably take a lion's 
share of "the market". But this is way down the road.


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