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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 11:33:12 +0100
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Thanks! Will take a look at it tonight :)


On 5 November 2010 15:05, Ethan Jewett <esjewett@gmail.com> wrote:

> Done :-)
>
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Anne Kathrine Petter=F8e <yojibee@gmail.c=
om
> >wrote:
>
> > Will you create a new branch?
> > Then we could use that to try out new versions of the update box.
> >
> >
> > On 5 November 2010 14:15, Ethan Jewett <esjewett@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Sounds good to me :-)
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Anne Kathrine Petter=F8e <
> > yojibee@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok, so did we just decide on the inline feature? (like twitter's)
> > > > I would prefer that to streamie's version..
> > > >
> > > > And thanks for starting on ESME-302. I will start to work on creati=
ng
> > > > templates we can work on for a new update box in the meantime.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5 November 2010 13:37, Richard Hirsch <hirsch.dick@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Ethan Jewett <esjewett@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > That is not the consensus that I saw :-) I think Dick was
> > advocating
> > > > for
> > > > > an
> > > > > > inline update box like Twitter's, which I think is the same thi=
ng
> > you
> > > > > > preferred. Correct?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep.  I'd love to use more inline functionality.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I'm planning to do right now (for issue ESME-302) is take
> the
> > > > > current
> > > > > > update box and insert it unchanged into the tag and conversatio=
n
> > > views.
> > > > > If
> > > > > > we want to change it to make it behave more like Twitter's upda=
te
> > > box,
> > > > > then
> > > > > > it will still only involve changing one template.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On a related note: I'm starting to think that Lift's templating
> > > > mechanism
> > > > > is
> > > > > > actually pretty nice now that I'm figuring it out! We're going =
to
> > go
> > > > from
> > > > > 2
> > > > > > -> 1 message template as well!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds great.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ethan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Anne Kathrine Petter=F8e
> > > > > > <yojibee@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> So seems we have settled for the Streamie version of the updat=
e
> > box?
> > > > > Sounds
> > > > > >> good to me...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Do we want to keep the current update box or should we redesig=
n
> > it?
> > > > Make
> > > > > it
> > > > > >> smaller maybe?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> /Anne
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 5 November 2010 10:39, Ethan Jewett <esjewett@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Me too. I've created a Jira -
> > > > > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ESME-302
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I'm not going to be able to implement this until this evenin=
g
> at
> > > the
> > > > > >> > earliest, but probably later, so if anyone has more ideas,
> keep
> > > them
> > > > > >> > coming.
> > > > > >> > Either here or on the Jira issue.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Ethan
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Richard Hirsch <
> > > > hirsch.dick@gmail.com
> > > > > >> > >wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Ethan Jewett <
> > > esjewett@gmail.com>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Richard Hirsch <
> > > > > >> hirsch.dick@gmail.com
> > > > > >> > > >wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >> But don't you think moving the update box to the main
> > > template
> > > > > would
> > > > > >> > > >> eat up space?
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > Yes, exactly. This is why I'm proposing changing the
> > > form-factor
> > > > > of
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> > > > update box when we do this, or going with something
> > different
> > > > > >> entirely,
> > > > > >> > > like
> > > > > >> > > > you talk about below.
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >> I'd like more of an inline update box like that from
> > twitter
> > > > > rather
> > > > > >> > > >> than from seesmic web.
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > I think there is definitely an argument to be made here.
> Now
> > > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > >> > > > templates have been refactored, it would not be difficul=
t
> to
> > > put
> > > > > the
> > > > > >> > > update
> > > > > >> > > > box inline on the tag and conversation pages. So maybe
> that
> > is
> > > a
> > > > > good
> > > > > >> > > first
> > > > > >> > > > step?
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > The question is - does the behavior change on those page=
s,
> > > > because
> > > > > if
> > > > > >> > it
> > > > > >> > > is
> > > > > >> > > > inline I think users will expect to automatically post
> with
> > a
> > > > tag
> > > > > or
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >> > a
> > > > > >> > > > conversation, depending on the context. If we do somethi=
ng
> > > more
> > > > > like
> > > > > >> > > > Streamie or Seesmic (where the update box is clearly par=
t
> of
> > > the
> > > > > >> header
> > > > > >> > > and
> > > > > >> > > > not the timeline), then it is clear that the update box
> > always
> > > > > works
> > > > > >> > the
> > > > > >> > > > same no matter where you are, and if you want to use a t=
ag
> > or
> > > do
> > > > a
> > > > > >> > reply
> > > > > >> > > > then it is up to you (the user) to do that.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Like the idea of adding tags automatically or automaticall=
y
> > > adding
> > > > > the
> > > > > >> > > message to conversation.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > >> > 1. Have something like Twitter.com's new interface
> where
> > > > there
> > > > > is
> > > > > >> > > always
> > > > > >> > > >> a
> > > > > >> > > >> > small text box displayed and clicking on it expands t=
o
> a
> > > full
> > > > > >> > > >> message-input
> > > > > >> > > >> > interface.
> > > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > >> > 2. Have something like streamie.org's interface where
> > the
> > > > > >> > > message-input
> > > > > >> > > >> area
> > > > > >> > > >> > slides down from the header upon request (thought I
> think
> > > if
> > > > we
> > > > > do
> > > > > >> > > this
> > > > > >> > > >> we
> > > > > >> > > >> > should make it more "in your face" than Streamie's
> > > > > >> implementation).
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >> Could we "borrow" that CSS code from streamie?
> > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > Streamie is under a BSD license, so I think the answer i=
s
> > yes,
> > > > > though
> > > > > >> > we
> > > > > >> > > > might have to put something in our NOTICE file. Not sure=
.
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > If we decide to go the Streamie route (slide out update
> > box),
> > > > then
> > > > > I
> > > > > >> > > think
> > > > > >> > > > it will be easier to redo it ourselves. We can use the
> > > Streamie
> > > > > CSS
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >> > > > Javascript as an example, but I think in the end we'll
> want
> > to
> > > > use
> > > > > >> > JQuery
> > > > > >> > > > animations because they work cross-browser. I'm not sure
> > what
> > > > Ube
> > > > > >> used
> > > > > >> > in
> > > > > >> > > > Streamie.
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > Ethan
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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