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From Daniel Kulp <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Copyright issue (ESME-47)
Date Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:45:54 GMT
On Fri January 22 2010 5:05:47 am Anne Kathrine Petter√łe wrote:
> Bertrand,
> To be honest it is difficult to work under such circumstances.
> I am not sure we will get anything done until this issue is resolved.
> /Anne


I know this is a very difficult situation, but I hope you realize that this is 
actually one of the main advantages of Apache over most of the other "forges" 
and such that are out there.    One thing Apache tries its best to do is to 
make sure everything is squeaky clean from a legal perspective so that users 
of Apache software can use the software with some level of confidence in it's 
legal status.   To accomplish that, every once in a while, we need to suffer 
through some of these situations to make sure everything is OK.   With many of 
the other communities, they don't have the legal council available to help 
figure out what the proper solutions are to problems like these and the final 
result may or may not be "legal" and could cause long term issues for the 

In the end, I hope the companies that are using ESME will be happy that this 
has been resolved satisfactory and they can once again be confident in the 
legal status of ESME.


> On 22 Jan, 2010, at 10:18 , Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> >
> > <> wrote:
> >> i've had time to take a brief look at the mailing lists and IMHO this
> >> matter needs to be taken private (and i started the balls rolling for
> >> that). i will issue a formal veto with both IPMC and legal hats on in
> >> due course. i just wanted to know that i'm going to unsubscribe this
> >> email address from these lists until this matter has been sorted out....
> >
> > So you were not here when we discussed this, now you jump in, say it's
> > all wrong, and say you're going to discuss it behind the curtain?
> >
> > Not fun at all.
> >
> > And I'm not copying you on this reply, if you're not here anymore
> > that's too bad.
> >
> > ESME folks, hope you're able to continue working without being too
> > much disturbed by this, based on the recent discussions here and
> > especially on legal-discuss I think Robert is blowing this way out of
> > proportion.
> >
> > I'll let you know when we're back from fight club ;-)
> >
> > -Bertrand

Daniel Kulp

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