Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-esme-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: (qmail 26095 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2009 11:09:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 17 Aug 2009 11:09:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 91453 invoked by uid 500); 17 Aug 2009 11:09:43 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-esme-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 91408 invoked by uid 500); 17 Aug 2009 11:09:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact esme-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list esme-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 91398 invoked by uid 99); 17 Aug 2009 11:09:43 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:09:43 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of hirsch.dick@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.211 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.220.211] (HELO mail-fx0-f211.google.com) (209.85.220.211) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:09:35 +0000 Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2320607fxm.34 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:09:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kqf33K49ywMUJB7U3wVvI0b0367ejgzED7r6kV2gi6k=; b=SkE2DD7of2McupOKgn6Ko5ukKm9YR0Sa6q1v2GwRfc2SrVx09PW+YNV89tT7MnrOFN pF6giUdJ/CZHLAzGFJu5X9rJoqrplhPqeXgRWFnYKXagT2G+Y3WGA8a7PGhop7fAINu+ Zy2cTmNPqvFQtBTr7oYfMzvtuDLzTtE/2g8V8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=El11fJZFwJgNIbhNt1aGFX1/zEBGT/v7IXHOLCziE9zNQFM7p5uqum+P4Nogh2sKUU vGJ/Q+J50LFPEip3ldhb/pLfy/8QcqV97k7LuZnbkX4FfB9Sq08gllvmRAX+h3hAJ0JW 3ep+DqlztGV/HV9XJOfYL1dxdBjCw+tlmEDsU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.126.3 with SMTP id d3mr1241997mun.101.1250507354521; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:09:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7C97F68F-490E-4030-91FC-AD9BDBB76AC3@gmail.com> <6DEFBAEA-0419-4B4E-9817-A738F1C3BA75@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:09:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Turtles all the way down (or how I learned to love math in computing) From: Richard Hirsch To: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org My feeling is that we should get > something usable even with a Web UI that's just cosmetically improved, > instead of a redesign. Otherwise it's easy for anyone following ESME > to lose interest. I agree. The question is how long do we need for the new UI and will that time block @dpp's G2 efforts. I've been playing with @mrinal's UI branch and trying some stuff out on the stax deployment. Slow going based on my lack of tools / UI experience. D. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Vassil Dichev wrote: > I think it's important to have a release before we start work in the > new direction. From my point of view the backend already has a > consistent set of features, so I'll now try to finish off features, > fix bugs and write documentation. My feeling is that we should get > something usable even with a Web UI that's just cosmetically improved, > instead of a redesign. Otherwise it's easy for anyone following ESME > to lose interest. > > Vassil >