Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-esme-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: (qmail 83391 invoked from network); 2 May 2009 14:52:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 2 May 2009 14:52:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 98622 invoked by uid 500); 2 May 2009 14:52:03 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-esme-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 98580 invoked by uid 500); 2 May 2009 14:52:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact esme-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list esme-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 98570 invoked by uid 99); 2 May 2009 14:52:03 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 May 2009 14:52:03 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of bdelacretaz@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.172 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.219.172] (HELO mail-ew0-f172.google.com) (209.85.219.172) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 May 2009 14:51:53 +0000 Received: by ewy20 with SMTP id 20so5681558ewy.12 for ; Sat, 02 May 2009 07:51:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9nm4DJxUk0x/ME1hFBAZTxVjBcZ+OLgLp1uAHXDJp1s=; b=XXkdqvvfsFUOgbINmPigD6XaUCZd/aCCWWU+4SYyH2aAtPl7Dkg6QCzqd3OXI3mnX2 Sl2uFV1beshP8MKR7yDkv9XeH2Wc9gWDStpqwRzB2HBoeJloOu1nwkV9Y9satkJH7inQ LVT7YLFWqkXHnEqDMdBk5UKhiAlXueZF97Zfw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PMIzxPT80w+PU5kOzld9qcB+kgFe4hzjo65wCc261n+XO1WuV/9cPMPCFWFkjH7VBd 3hMiODaJ19IlEdqSJJxGUhphTOgchJiVeT+VGe72bnDfA4xmCnZaJe//WDwZ9VV+U+LO TYEvITPeBkPCrPreryIbhXeO/PB1egX+Ov/q0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: bdelacretaz@gmail.com Received: by 10.210.119.5 with SMTP id r5mr4042135ebc.82.1241275892397; Sat, 02 May 2009 07:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 16:51:32 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7e1476929f6c43a7 Message-ID: Subject: Nobody from the ASF is helping (ESME) sustain or build momentum or community From: Bertrand Delacretaz To: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Hi, That's what David Pollak says here: http://blog.lostlake.org/index.php?url=archives/93-In-defense-of-DHH-the-Rails-comminity.html I'm happy to discuss this on this list. As an incubation mentor I've tried to give advice when it makes sense, while also staying out of the way. If people want something else, let's talk about it. -Bertrand ("kinda" disappointed to read such a blanket statement with no prior discussion here)