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Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 08:12:09 -0700
Subject: Re: Looking for additional mentor for Edgent with community growth ideas/focus
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Hi John,

I can confidently report that it is list first with Edgent. I work in the sa=
me office with many of the committers and conversations seem limited to "Hey=
, can you please look at my email to the list?", who can go to Apachecon, et=
c. There were a few very early,  "Ya, best to ask on the list about that" mo=
ments,  but they totally got it in no time and I haven't heard myself or Dan=
 say that for a very long time.

I think pre diversity graduation might  help with adoption as some folks don=
't really want to adopt an incubating solution. I certainly feel that the cu=
rrent committers and ppmc members would continue to act independently of sin=
gle employer influence [1] , but realistically, it might be a risk to the lo=
ngevity of the project if we can't achieve diversity post graduation.  So, y=
es, it might make it easier to swim if we take the incubation life vest off,=
 but...

Diversity was a struggle years ago when I first started with Derby. Today, w=
ith Derby, it is those committers that were not from the original code donor=
 that keep the project going.  Whether before or after graduation, diversity=
 is a critical health component.


Best,=20

Katherine

[1] http://theapacheway.com/diversity/

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 7:16 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org> wrote:
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> Will,
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> (moving general@incubator to BCC)
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> I'll point out that the expectations of a podling are skewed based on how
> that podling is operating.  If we see a high level of on list activity,
> making it clear that its list first, it may make sense to graduate a less
> diverse podling, simply because its clear that the podling understands the=

> expectations and will be clear about their decision making.  We can also
> bank on mentors sticking around the PMC to keep them moving.
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> FWIW, my background is in messaging so I suspect from a technical
> standpoint I get some of the integrations you're working on.  My eyes
> always light up when I see MQTT or AMQP on a slide.
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> The easiest way to get more users is to leech on to existing projects that=

> seem to be going well.  Yes, I know "leech on" can be seen as negative, bu=
t
> it helps draw some notion of what you're really after.  For instance, we
> saw an IoT Operating System right before Edgent, is there an opportunity t=
o
> bake in a Mynewt distribution that includes Edgent, produced by the Edgent=

> community?  And if such a thing did exist, would existing Mynewt users
> potentially use Edgent for their analytics?   You also listed a limitation=

> in the Edgent platform, focused on Java.  Does it make sense to produce a
> Swift based client?
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> John
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>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:25 PM William Marshall <wcmarsha@gmail.com> wro=
te:
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>> Hi John, I'm glad you enjoyed the presentation, ApacheCon was a great
>> forum.
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>> All mentors are currently active, and right now the way in which Edgent
>> most needs mentorship is in its outreach to developers. =46rom a technica=
l
>> perspective, I think Edgent is mature for its age and number of committer=
s,
>> but to date we've only seen a few users actually adopt it in an
>> application. This is strange, given the amount of initial interest, but I=

>> sense this is in part due the the name change from Quarks to Edgent.
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>> Since Kathey is likely stepping down soon, you would be the 4th mentor (n=
ot
>> the there's any hard limit, as far as I'm aware). Given your experience
>> with podlings I think you would fit the role well. Any thoughts on the
>> outreach problem?
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>> -Will
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>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Katherine Marsden <kmarsden@apache.org>
>> wrote:
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>>>> On 5/16/17 2:17 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
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>>>> William,
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>>>> Great presentation this afternoon.
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>>>> I'd like offer to help you guys as a mentor, you do currently have 4
>>>> mentors.  Are all 4 mentors active in the project?
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>>> Hi John, I am not involved in the project from a technical perspective,
>>> except I helped initially setting up the website and have done some
>> release
>>> testing and filed a few bugs.
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>>> As mentor I have been mostly just offering solicited and unsolicited
>>> advice and maintaining the project status page (hmmm haven't looked at
>> that
>>> in a while, better check), posting the maturity model to the wiki and
>>> reviewing and signing off on reports, etc.
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>>> I would be happy to commit to continuing  with this minimal role as
>>> mentor  or step aside if that makes more sense given the number of
>> mentors
>>> if you will take over maintaining the project status page.  I think the
>>> project needs your help a lot more than mine right now as the folks
>> working
>>> on the project seem to totally have a handle on everything on which I
>> could
>>> provide guidance.  If anyone on the project has questions that I could
>>> answer,  I still certainly would be available to answer.  One ppmc membe=
r
>>> requested I stay on for my "timely advice" [1] but I certainly am never
>> shy
>>> about giving  advice no matter my formal role.  I am sure she wouldn't
>> mind
>>> if I stepped down in my formal mentor role if I stuck around on the dev
>>> list which I plan to.
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>>> Best
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>>> Kathey
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>>> [1] https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/edgent-
>>> private/201704.mbox/%3C7F0611AB-B983-4398-8977-9EC99D662455@yahoo.com%3E=

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