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From Marcel Kornacker <mar...@cloudera.com>
Subject Re: Naming the new ValueVector Initiative
Date Thu, 03 Dec 2015 09:23:47 GMT
Just added my vote.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Wes McKinney <wes@cloudera.com> wrote:
> Shall we call the voting closed? Any last stragglers?
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Apache can handle this if we set the groundwork in place.
>>
>> Also, Twitter's lawyers work for Twitter, not for Apache. As such, their
>> opinions can't be taken by Apache as legal advice.  There are issues of
>> privilege, conflict of interest and so on.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Alex Levenson <alexlevenson@twitter.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can ask about whether Twitter's lawyers can help out -- is that
>>> something we need? Or is that something apache helps out with in the next
>>> step?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Julian Hyde <jhyde@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1 to have a vote tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> Assuming that Vector is out of play, I just did a quick search for the
>>>> top 4 remaining, (“arrow”, “honeycomb”, “herringbone”, “joist"),
at
>>>> sourceforge, open hub, trademarkia, and on google. There are no trademarks
>>>> for these in similar subject areas. There is a moderately active project
>>>> called “joist” [1].
>>>>
>>>> I will point out that “Apache Arrow” has native-american connotations
>>>> that we may or may not want to live with (just ask the Washington Redskins
>>>> how they feel about their name).
>>>>
>>>> If someone would like to vet other names, use the links on
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-90, and fill out
>>>> column C in the spreadsheet.
>>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://github.com/stephenh/joist
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacques@dremio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jacques Nadeau
>>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Wes McKinney <wes@cloudera.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Should we have a last call for votes, closing EOD tomorrow (Tuesday)? I
>>>> missed this for a few days last week with holiday travel.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Julian Hyde <julian@hydromatic.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Consulting a lawyer is part of the Apache branding process but the first
>>>> stage is to gather a list of potential conflicts -
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-90 is an example.
>>>>
>>>> The other part, frankly, is to pick your battles.
>>>>
>>>> A year or so ago Actian re-branded Vectorwise as Vector.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/actian-consolidates-its-analytics-portfolio/.
>>>> Given that it is an analytic database in the Hadoop space I think that is
>>>> as close to a “direct hit” as it gets. I don’t think we need a lawyer
to
>>>> tell us that. Certainly it makes sense to look for conflicts for the
>>>> other
>>>> alternatives before consulting lawyers.
>>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 25, 2015, at 9:42 PM, Marcel Kornacker <marcel@cloudera.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacques@dremio.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok guys,
>>>>
>>>> I don't think anyone is doing a thorough analysis of viaability. I did a
>>>> quick glance and the top one (Vector) seems like it would have an issue
>>>> with conflict of an Actian product. The may be fine. Let's do a second
>>>> phase vote.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm assuming you mean Vectorwise?
>>>>
>>>> Before we do anything else, could we have a lawyer look into this? Last
>>>> time around that I remember (Parquet), Twitter's lawyers did a good job
>>>> of
>>>> weeding out the potential trademark violations.
>>>>
>>>> Alex, could Twitter get involved this time around as well?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pick your top 3 (1,2,3 with 3 being top preference)
>>>>
>>>> Let's get this done by Friday and then we can do a podling name search
>>>> starting with the top one.
>>>>
>>>> Link again:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=304381532&vpid=A1
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jacques Nadeau
>>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Jacques Nadeau <jacques@dremio.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok, it looks like we have a candidate list (we actually got 11 since
>>>> there was a three-way tie for ninth place):
>>>>
>>>> VectorArrowhoneycombHerringbonejoistV2Pietcolbufbatonimpulsevictor
>>>> Next we need to do trademark searches on each of these to see whether
>>>> we're likely to have success. I've moved candidates to a second tab:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=304381532
>>>>
>>>> Anybody want to give a hand in analyzing potential conflicts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jacques Nadeau
>>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacques@dremio.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Everybody should pick their ten favorites using the numbers 1 to 10.
>>>>
>>>> 10 is most preferred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jacques Nadeau
>>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Single vote for most preferred?
>>>>
>>>> Single transferable vote?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:50 AM, Jacques Nadeau <jacques@dremio.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Given that a bunch of people added names to the sheet, I'll take
>>>> that as tacit agreement to the proposed process.
>>>>
>>>> Let's move to the first vote phase. I've added a column for
>>>> everybody's votes. Let's try to wrap up the vote by 10am on Wednesday.
>>>>
>>>> thanks!
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jacques Nadeau
>>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacques@apache.org
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like we need to do a little more work on the Vector
>>>> proposal
>>>> before the board would like to consider it. The main point of
>>>> contention
>>>> right now is the name of the project. We need to decide on a name
>>>> and get
>>>> it signed off through PODLINGNAMESEARCH.
>>>>
>>>> Naming is extremely subjective so I'd like to propose a process for
>>>> selection that minimizes pain. This is an initial proposal and
>>>>
>>>> We do the naming in the following steps
>>>> - 1: Collect a set of names to be considered
>>>> - 2: Run a vote for 2 days where each member ranks their top 10
>>>> options
>>>> 1..10
>>>> - 3: Take the top ten vote getters and do a basic analysis of
>>>> whether we
>>>> think that any have legal issues. Keep dropping names that have
>>>> this until
>>>> we get with 10 reasonably solid candidate names
>>>> - 5: Take the top ten names and give people 48 hours to rank their
>>>> top 3
>>>> names
>>>> - 6: Start a PODLINGNAMESEARCH on the top rank one, if that doesn't
>>>> work,
>>>> try the second and third options.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest we take name suggestions for step 1 from everyone but then
>>>> constrain the voting to the newly proposed project [1]. We could
>>>> just do
>>>> this in a private email thread but I think doing it on Drill dev is
>>>> better
>>>> in the interest of transparency. This isn't the perfect place for
>>>> that but
>>>> I'm not sure a better place exists.
>>>>
>>>> I'm up for changing any or all of this depending on what others
>>>> think. Just
>>>> wanted to get the ball rolling on a proposed process.
>>>>
>>>> If this works, I've posted a doc at [2] that we can use for step 1.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> [1] List of proposed new project members/voters: Todd Lipcon, Ted
>>>> Dunning,
>>>> Michael Stack, P. Taylor Goetz, Julian Hyde, Julien Le Dem, Jacques
>>>> Nadeau,
>>>> James Taylor, Jake Luciani, Parth Chandra, Alex Levenson, Marcel
>>>> Kornacker,
>>>> Steven Phillips, Hanifi Gunes, Wes McKinney, Jason Altekruse, David
>>>> Alves,
>>>> Zain Asgar, Ippokratis Pandis, Abdel Hakim Deneche, Reynold Xin.
>>>> [2]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alex Levenson
>>> @THISWILLWORK
>>
>>

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