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From Griselda Cuevas <g...@google.com.INVALID>
Subject Re: [Volunteer Needed] Outreachy Coordinator for the ASF
Date Mon, 15 Jul 2019 15:51:58 GMT
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 8:49 AM Joan Touzet <wohali@apache.org> wrote:

> Gris, did we confirm with Sage Sharp that 3 people sharing the
> Coordinator role is OK? The text on the website implies a single person.
>

I haven't confirmed explicitly, however I know the Mozilla community splits
the tasks with two people. Will get back to this thread after Sage confirms.


> To Ross's point, we have 3 people who've agreed to help, and have met
> with the Chair's approval, so I think this meets his statement. The role
> of the coordinator is very well laid out as a facilitation role only on
> Outreachy's website.
>
> +1 with either approach to clarify the fundraising aspect, to avoid
> confusion and lengthy, flame-fest emails ;)
>

Ack.


> -Joan "enough is enough" Touzet
>
>
>
> On 2019-07-15 3:37, Ross Gardler wrote:
> > +1 (is prefer to remove fundraising entirely in order to allow
> unhindered progress, but Sam's attempt to be explicit about the scope of
> fundraising efforts is ok by me)
> >
> > With respect to "assigning" individuals to roles: fine if someone wants
> the job let them do it. It's the Apache Way to NOT have appointed leaders.
> The goal is to let whoever is doing the work lead the work. Formally
> assigning people can have the disadvantage of giving the impression that
> others are not entitled to help. On the other hand when things are time
> based having someone to make decisions can be good.
> >
> > So, +1 to assign anyone willing to do the work, but let's ensure they
> consider their primary responsibility is to help others contribute to the
> effort. Their secondary role is to ensure we hit deadlines.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Sent from my phone, likely while waking down the stars and having a
> conversation. Sorry about my carelessness, I blame the machines.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Craig Russell <apache.clr@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 3:55:43 AM
> > To: dev@diversity.apache.org <dev@diversity.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Volunteer Needed] Outreachy Coordinator for the ASF
> >
> > My only concern with the whole Outreachy effort is the implied
> coordination with fundraising. At least for the time being, we should
> simply say that fundraising is out of scope for D&I. No effort should be
> made to do anything but understand the current situation with funding.
> >
> > That said, having the three individuals sharing the coordination role is
> a great step forward.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:53 AM, Griselda Cuevas <gris@google.com.INVALID>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Just to for clarification.
> >>
> >> I'd like to hear your feedback on assigning Matt, Katia and Awasum as
> >> Outreachy coordinators for the ASF.  I'd like to make this official
> after
> >> 72h from this email.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 10:16 AM Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Working with Fundraising makes incredible sense for future work so we
> can
> >>> get more sponsors. The first round (Winter 2019) sounds funded
> already, so
> >>> any work done with Fundraising would be to target the Summer 2020
> Outreachy
> >>> round.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 12:04, Griselda Cuevas <gris@google.com.invalid
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Agreed. Thanks Sam & Ross.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 12:15 AM Ross Gardler
> >>>> <Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Yes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As Sam neatly highlights in his clarification it is critical to
draw
> >>>>> accurate boundaries when pushing back against community concerns.
> Small
> >>>>> reversible steps is a phrase we often use, I guess we should make
it
> >>>> "Small
> >>>>> and clearly defined reversible steps".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ross
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my phone, likely while waking down the stars and having
a
> >>>>> conversation. Sorry about my carelessness, I blame the machines.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 5:36:08 AM
> >>>>> To: dev@diversity.apache.org <dev@diversity.apache.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Volunteer Needed] Outreachy Coordinator for the ASF
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 7:31 PM Ross Gardler
> >>>>> <Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm all for the proposal but...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why would this committee be doing fundraising? Nothing in the
> >>> proposal
> >>>>> we currently have consensus around requires fundraising. There is
a
> >>>> reason
> >>>>> for this. Furthermore, we have a fundraising committee charged with
> >>>>> fundraising activities should it ever be approved that the ASF raises
> >>>> funds
> >>>>> for Outreachy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Would the following be acceptable?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In most organizations that Outreachy deals with, the organization
> >>>>> itself sponsors Outreachy's efforts.  At the moment, the ASF is
not
> >>>>> such an organization, and may never be.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Instead we are currently relying on generous sponsor(s), and from
> time
> >>>>> to time may need to work directly with them.  Any such work will
need
> >>>>> to be coordinated by out fundraising committee which is largely
> >>>>> composed of volunteers.  Fundraising already works closely with
> >>>>> Marketing and Publicity, Conferences, and Virtual Inc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Outreachy coordinators can decide amongst themselves to what
> >>>>> extent it makes sense to work with fundraising and which of them
(if
> >>>>> any) will liaise with the fundraising committee.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Ross
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my phone, likely while waking down the stars and having
a
> >>>>> conversation. Sorry about my carelessness, I blame the machines.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Sam Ruby
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >
> > Craig L Russell
> > clr@apache.org
> >
> >
>
>

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