On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny <email@example.com>
On 10/31/11 10:17 AM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
Jumping on Göktürk idea, some proposal.
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Göktürk Gezer<firstname.lastname@example.org>wrote:
Let's be really careful about the common terminology we will be using for
I'd like to do some brainstorming about Interceptor extension mechanism
which we're about to implement. Ideas those will come out from that thread
will enlighten our way on other extension points of the ApacheDS.
The first main issue is whether we're going to preserve old standalone
ApacheDS or not?
this discussion. When you say "standalone ApacheDS", I automatically think
about the standalone ApacheDS maven module that holds the ApacheDS main()
In a previous thread Pierre recommended keeping such a module but modifing
it so that it starts up an OSGi container which launches the ApacheDS
bundles. However the user experience does not change much. This merely
allows users to start up ApacheDS from the command line as before but
behind the scenes an OSGi container is launched as the main() application.
This is one option and I think I like this approach because this way we
don't have to maintain a monolithic application startup and a OSGi startup.
Preserving API in nonOSGI environments had purpose. And with the very
Sure we can do anything but will it add additional complexity and overhead
simple method we've used in API, we can also preserve ApacheDS's nonOSGI
for maintaining code and what's the gain that we get? Will it make
debugging easier to maintain this non-OSGi configuration?
Doing it will have pros and cons.
Ahh there you go with the pros and cons :-).
The main advantage will be of course letting existing user semantics
It appears to me that you're talking about more than just the application
launcher verses the OSGi based launch sequence. I guess you're referring to
all the configuration mechanism changes that will impact the different
To me these usage semantic changes are small compared to the overall gains
we will get.
But implementing extendibility without breaking ApaheDS's nonOSGI version
Yeah I prefer to forget about maintaining the non-OSGi version. The
will put some limits on our extension capability on individual components.
Besides those limitations, we'll also end up having two different runtime
behaviour of ApacheDS. Documentation will be obviously painful. And some
aspects won't be implementable if we choose to preserve nonOSGI version.
For example, OSGI can give us the opportunity to don't restart server after
some changes on configuration, which will be perfect improvement of course.
But to make this we must go fully OSGI. List is long.
"standalone ApacheDS" maven module can launch the OSGi container or Karaf
then have the OSGi environment fire up ApacheDS as a full OSGi application.
We've talked about it before but i wanted to ask that question again,
because its an alive topic and subject to change. Maybe some of yours mind
could have been changed, and i want to know if it did. If we proceed like
what we've been talked earlier, then I'm going to make ApacheDS (not
shared) an OSGI application, and use all of its loveliness.
To talk about Interceptors specifically, here is the design that i'm
thinking. To manage OSGI heavy dynamic nature, we must implement our
Interceptor related code in the closest module that is using Interceptors,
which is InterceptorChain in our case. First step will be implement a
component called InterceptorHub which is responsible for keeping list of
all Interceptors installed in the container(means installed in OSGI as
bundle). This hub will create an instance of every Interceptor per every
ApacheDS instance and keep it.
When an InterceptorChain want to iterate through interceptors, it will get
them from InterceptorHub rather then DirectoryService.getInterceptors(). So
it will get the most recent list of interceptors every time.
Just a question: why not just make the InterceptorChain act as or perform
the duties of the hub? I guess the hub is intended as an internal component
of the chain that hides some details relating to OSGi from the chain?
Currently in our config.ldif file, there is an interceptors entries. We
This is rather interesting. This approach never occurred to me but it's
can leave those entries there for specifying mandatory interceptors. So if
any of them is not exists at the time server is starting we can throw an
exception saying necessary interceptor is not exist. But we won't be have
to list additional interceptors in that list. They will be automatically
attached to the active ApacheDS instances.
We'll also change the Interceptor implementations to be an IPojo
component. Those components will publish two main properties. First is
their ordering and the second is their bypass list.
Ordering is something we've talked about but i couldn't get a clear
explanation about it. What i suggest is like this: we publish three kind of
ordering from interceptor: strict, level and relax. "strict" means strict
ordering, this will be published from core interceptors and that strict
order will create a level. If we publish it as level we must also attach an
index with it, such as level-3. If we publish it as relax it means it can
be called anywhere in the chain after the strict ones. So lets suppose we
documented the core interceptor ordering like:
So there is 3 level in interceptor chain. If somebody implement an
additional interceptor named InterceptorD and publish its ordering
as level-2, it is saying it must be called after InterceptorA(level-1). So
the new list will be:
I didnt't numbered B as 3 but rather i grouped it with the InterceptorD,
putting InterceptorD above it. Why? What happens if vendor wants to
implement two custom interceptor named InterceptorD and InterceptorE and
want 2 of them to be called right after InterceptorA(after 1th level) but
want InterceptorD to be called first. So we must suborder those 2
interceptors. That's why i treated the first core list as levels rather
than orders ! So the ordering which is published from custom interceptor is
not sufficient to describe good ordering. We must also publish subordering
which specifies the ordering between that specific vendor's interceptors.
appealing. I'll give this some thought and also would like to hear from
others on the list about it.
We all know that the core interceptors are to be executed in a given order. Calling the NormalizationInterceptor after the CollectiveAttributeInterceptor does not make any sense.
OTOH, we allow the admin to modify the order, simply by changing the configuration, and it could lead to some bad bad things...
What if we create an implicit order by defining which interceptor is allowed before each interceptor ? For instance, this is the default order :
We could obtain the same order by replacing the ads-interceptororder AT by a ads-previousInterceptor :
1 normalizationInterceptor ( previous : null )
2 authenticationInterceptor ( previous : normalizationInterceptor )
3 referralInterceptor ( previous : authenticationInterceptor )
4 aciAuthorizationInterceptor ( previous : referralInterceptor )
5 defaultAuthorizationInterceptor ( previous : aciAuthorizationInterceptor, referralInterceptor ) (here, the aciAuthorizationInterceptor may be disabled)
6 exceptionInterceptor ( previous : defaultAuthorizationInterceptor )
7 operationalAttributeInterceptor ( previous : exceptionInterceptor )
8 keyDerivationInterceptor ( previous : operationalAttributeInterceptor )
9 passwordHashingInterceptor ( previous : keyDerivationInterceptor )
10 schemaInterceptor ( previous : passwordHashingInterceptor )
11 collectiveAttributeInterceptor ( previous : schemaInterceptor )
12 subentryInterceptor ( previous : collectiveAttributeInterceptor )
13 eventInterceptor ( previous : subentryInterceptor )
14 triggerInterceptor ( previous : eventInterceptor )
Now, for interceptors that has no specific requirement, we can set the previous AT to the previous AT it will follow.
The key is that we must distinguished between critical inteceptors (the level-1 interceptors) and others. We enforce the position only within one level (ie, level-1 interceptors orders are checked, then level-2, then level-3). So we can add a non critical interceptor (ie level-2 or 3) in the chain between two critical interceptors, without creating any trouble in the critical interceptor order : the check for level-1 interceptors' order is done ignoring level-2 interceptors.
Here's the one big point that sticks out in my mind regarding such ordering mechanisms. When you have to provide dependency information directly to an Interceptor (name, identifier, or some other descriptor for the interceptor), then you're creating an inherent dependency. And on top of this you need to know a priori the composition of the interceptor chain.
If we want safe variability which can only happen with the proper ordering of functionality while allowing for swappable interceptors including the critical ones for a customized version, then we need to have some indirection. Here's what I had proposed in the past:
(1) Define some general mandatory invocation aspects that must be handled by one or more Interceptors, either working alone or together. For example these mandatory aspect descriptors can be:
These are general mandatory aspect descriptors. They are not dependent on any specific interceptor implementation. We know how these must be ordered to have the server operate properly. You just can't do much before normalization right? What interceptor does this is irrelevant.
So my recommendation is to manage this general invocation aspect descriptor order and bind interceptors to the aspect descriptors at component initialization time. What this takes is having an Interceptor announce which general aspects it is involved with. So if I have FooInterceptor which manages schema-checking, then when this interceptor initializes, the chain can determine which aspect it is associated with by asking the component. Then it knows where in the chain to inject the component.
This strategy/pattern creates a level of indirection between the aspect functions performed by Interceptors and their implementations, allowing for dependency free management of their ordering.
Now Gokturk's idea deals with the non-essential injection and quite frankly it sounds like a good idea to me to use levels (or hierarchy here) while preserving essential-mandatory interceptor ordering. That's a separate matter to consider however it might add additional implementation complexity for us and make configuration matters a tiny bit more confusing for our users. That's something we together must evaluate, however the interceptor chain altering user profile is not the common user profile but one where they know and understand the pitfalls (one would hope).