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From Emmanuel Lecharny <>
Subject Re: [ApacheDS] Setting up my own certificate for SSL
Date Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:24:33 GMT
Alex Karasulu wrote:
> I agree with you.  You're right that this is not the best solution for our
> users currently.  I'm thinking that we should run faster into the future
> with the tooling to support cert management in the DIT rather than reverting
> back to the use of the keystore file.
> When you scratch the itch with the keystore file no one will come to the
> table to really create the tooling.  Once the pressure is gone, the advance
> will never happen.  Let the users complain. Let them also get involved and
> affect change is what I say.
As much as I agree with you on the global imagine, I think that we 
should also allow 'antiquated' users to play with there keystore file, 
if it's just a matter of a few lines of code to be injected in the 
server (and so far, it costed me less than an hour to restore those 
lines). Writing the tooling to store a certificate at the right place in 
the DiT, plus all the associated tests, will cost a couple of days.

I don't have time for more than that right now, and if you consider that 
the current documentation tells the users how to use the keystore, that 
also mean to update the documentation.

On a more general base, I think that Stefan and Christine, plus a few 
others, have spent a considerable amount of time writing this doco, and 
we should respect this effort. That mean we should check the current 
doco to see if we will outdate it when doing some modification on the 
server, and if so,n immediately reflect the change in the doco.
Now, this is not easy too, as we are always working on new features 
which will be released days or even weeks (months ?) after, so the doco 
will _never_ reflect the next version, or if it does, users won't have 
the current version doco. Unless we find a way to have versionned 

Kiran proposed to work on the tooling, and I think it will solve 
everthing, but it will take time. Hopefully, we will have them for 
1.5.5, but this is not guaranteed...
> Alex
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Stefan Zoerner <> wrote:
>> Hi Alex!
>> Alex Karasulu wrote:
>>> Also setting up your own certificate and adding it to the DIT is pretty
>>> easy even without specific tooling.  Note that this use of the external file
>>> store is the antiquated way to do it.  Certs were designed to be stored in
>>> directories in the first place.  This file thing is going backwards and
>>> often the case when you don't have a directory.  Why would a directory store
>>> it's certs in a file when it has access to the directory store in the first
>>> place.  If we consider the big picture the cert in the DIT way is the best
>>> option.
>> I see the problems with the keystore file, but the current DIT solution is
>> IMHO not sufficient to work with for our users.
>> Sun Java System Directory Server for instance offers tooling to create a
>> key pair in the DIT, export a CSR (certificate signing request), and import
>> a certificate signed from a third party.
>> Our current implementation creates a key pair and stores it in some
>> attributes in an entry automatically . Currently, there is no (documented)
>> way to influence on how keys and certificate look like.
>> I don't think that it is "pretty easy" setting up your own certificate. At
>> least I don not have any idea on how to accomplish this task without custom
>> application development.
>> I have started like this:
>> 1. Create key pair with keytool
>> 2. Store public and private key in DIT
>> 3. Create certificate
>> 4. (optional) Sign certificate
>> 5. Store (signed) certificate in DIT
>> My problem is step 2, You can't export a private key from a keystore with
>> keytool (AFAIK). I had to write a program for this step.
>> Perhaps you can outline a better solution and I will document it step by
>> step in the wiki.
>> My favorite for the future would be an extended operation for key pair
>> creation. It would be easy to trigger it with studio.
>> Greetings from Hamburg,
>>    Stefan

cordialement, regards,
Emmanuel L├ęcharny

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