From dev-return-24106-apmail-directory-dev-archive=directory.apache.org@directory.apache.org Sat Mar 08 08:45:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-directory-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 39761 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2008 08:45:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 08:45:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 53861 invoked by uid 500); 8 Mar 2008 08:45:28 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-directory-dev-archive@directory.apache.org Received: (qmail 53828 invoked by uid 500); 8 Mar 2008 08:45:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@directory.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "Apache Directory Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@directory.apache.org Received: (qmail 53817 invoked by uid 99); 8 Mar 2008 08:45:28 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:45:28 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of elecharny@gmail.com designates 72.14.220.154 as permitted sender) Received: from [72.14.220.154] (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.154) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 08:44:49 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so7147936fga.3 for ; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:44:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aqEYDetM5cMxrQLYuclvtKLaZUZK5THJ6pHq9Z1QDEk=; b=dlrGrR0hfeFGanme/i4ZMYa/eYKVyoD43qs/m7q7IwNi0cu68R4eK36JKXuUmDNmRxNDToFweDWfyj8EmVaUthgL3UCkrErdcJWitM6y98bGd59q3dp0pSTFsVfB5v/sAdKeD+vwAd0Lh5WaHrOMwkiQY/gk7eN/sTkldtsEI/U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cMuJkuLaOngEty+EscVNJ6ndULUnYeGorFnAOoObDygzn5gVSz+t6td9fIAFwlWlySVG5ixLL0i/uzFNjL8RZsbVa+Pu6mu3VpKilooyAHWTCVUZVPuO/JlyUQH97K5+3T+V89yx5UhevFBhOc/2CxEiCK7iFIhye0OIs41acdw= Received: by 10.86.66.19 with SMTP id o19mr2849763fga.10.1204965898491; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:44:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.1? ( [82.66.216.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm5582788fge.7.2008.03.08.00.44.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:44:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47D251CD.70600@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 09:43:57 +0100 From: Emmanuel Lecharny User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14ubu (X11/20080306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Apache Directory Developers List Subject: Re: Why I think Spring + xbean is wrong ... References: <47CF20E5.2070602@gmail.com> <47D02430.7050500@labeo.de> <47D11899.8080509@gmail.com> <47D1F130.70306@gmail.com> <47D24B85.3010400@gmail.com> <47D25073.5010803@labeo.de> In-Reply-To: <47D25073.5010803@labeo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Stefan Zoerner wrote: > Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: >> Do we need a container technology ? The 0.8 version was working >> without this IoC crap. IoC is, IMHO, hyper over hyped... But this is >> another debate ! > > I think a container should not be necessary, if ApacheDS is embedded. > In this case, every additional dependency will add burden to those who > plan to integrate it in their applications. > > I thought this was basically the idea of using the Spring Framework. Back three years ago, when Spring was injected into ADS, I think this was just because it was "SO COOL !!!" Ok, I know I'm a little bit old fashionned, but this saved my life more than once :) When you think we had AOP into the server ... ;) Now, what is bothering me the more is different : - how to ease the Studio team work when dealing with the conf - how to stabilize the configuration to avoid rewritting the doco every month - and more important : how to help users dealing with configuration ! I think that point #3 goes well with point #1. When you are a beginner, a good GUI helps. Thanks Stefan ! -- -- cordialement, regards, Emmanuel Lécharny www.iktek.com directory.apache.org