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From Howard Chu <>
Subject Re: [LDAP] [Client] Client side Cursors can help w/ LDAP paging and notification
Date Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:17:41 GMT
Alex Karasulu wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Howard Chu <
> <>> wrote:
>     Using cursors for walking entry lists (and saving the cursor state) is
>     certainly useful inside the server, but there's nothing you can
>     safely gain
>     from the client side.
>     It kind of sounds like you're talking about Virtual List Views, not
>     paged
>     results. Remember that search responses in LDAP/X.500 are unordered by
>     definition. Therefore it makes no sense for a standards-compliant
>     client to
>     send an initial request with a Paging control saying "start at responses
>     200-300" because the order in which entries will be returned is not
>     defined.
>     You need something like VLV which requires SSS to even begin
>     thinking about
>     this; it's not a job for Paged Results.
> Yes you're totally right, I've confused the two controls. Thanks for the
> correction.
> Either way we still need to implement both. Does OpenLDAP implements
> both of these controls? Any opinions or advice regarding implementation
> and or the actual utility of these controls?

OpenLDAP currently has a no-op implementation of SSS and no VLV. There's been 
some discussion about implementing them, but no one has been interested enough 
to do it so far. The main problem being that SSS gets to be rather annoying in 
the context of a truly distributed DIT, plus the CPU time involved makes the 
whole proposition unscalable. This is one of those cases where, given 100s of 
clients talking to a single server, it makes more sense to distribute the work 
to the clients than to run hundreds of sort variations on the single server.

Netscape/iPlanet obviously took the opposite view, and decided there would 
probably be small enough variation in the types of searches being used that 
you could index them explicitly to avoid the overhead. We may follow on that 
road as well, and just return UnwillingToPerform for searches that were not 
   -- Howard Chu
   Chief Architect, Symas Corp.
   Director, Highland Sun
   Chief Architect, OpenLDAP

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