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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:22:26 +0200
From: "Emmanuel Lecharny" <elecharny@gmail.com>
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Subject: Minutes of our BOF in Austin
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Hi guys,

we haved ha d a BOF (Bird of a feather) yesturday in Austin, TX during
Apache Conference. Some Sun guys from OpenDS project were with us, and we
have had a very interesting discussion. Here are the minutes we took (sorry
for the typoes, I just did my best to get the important points, not trying
to be correct - remember that I'm not english native :)

Emmanuel

(FYI :
AK =3D Alex Karasulu
NB =3D No=EBl Bergman
NW =3D Neil Wilson
EE =3D Ersin ER
Sun =3D someone from Sun, as I don't remember all the names except Neil
Wilson, sorry ...)


bof minutes:
----------------

Open DS team is here !

Alan cabrera ask for a little presentation.

AK : We have had a certification from Open Group + 1.0. Mitosis is intering
the Apache project. Another donation is Triplesec which is entering ADS in
the next few months, as a subproject.

Sun : Multi-master will be integrated into ADS ?

We may reused some replication stuff done by Geronimo.

AK : Wh did you did ODS :
Sun : three reasons :
 - customer oriented
 - they don't want to be seen as overtaking a project
 (don't remember the 3rd one ...)


AK: we can have more than one server in ASF
NB : "Customer orientation" is not necessary something which is mandatory.
Ou customer are really needing the very same thing : A working ldap server.

Also there is no rules that forbid Sun from becoming committers


NW : has intentionally staid away for OSS. The opening of OpenDS was done i=
n
july 2006

NB : Are they some opportunity to work together right now ? Because Sun can
save money and dev effort by working with ADS.

There is no reason to not comboning efforts. This will be good for two of
us.

NB : Can we discuss that ? Is theis the right place to discuss that ?

Sun : there is no problem discuss that, but we can't make a discision right
now. Sun has an history on successfully Ldap server and do not want to spoi=
l
the image they have. Performance and scalability is one main concern that
are to be addressed by te new server.

EE : can we work on both project?
Sun : the answer is yes.

AK : how many dev on Open DS team ?
Sun : 7 full time on ODS and 11 in a few weeks.
Sun : how many projects commiters ?
AK : Probably 20, but all volunteers...

Sun : Who are we aiming ?
AK : Geronimo, ActiveMQ, James...

Sun: What about SP?
EE : We have an extended operation + a java code. Trigger can be associated
with subentries and execute some code on it.

AK : we are many plugable elements : interceptors, backend, protocol
handlers, etc

CDDL is not source compatible.

JNDI is the base of the server, but it may change.
Sun : We will propose a new API for Ldap operation, like Netscape, which ma=
y
be open sourced.

AK : What is the Sun roadmap?
Sun : nothing right now, but working on it.

NB : How ADS compares to SunDS ?
Sun : ADS Documentation sucks ... Some features are not present in ADS.
Controls mainly, and extended operations.

Jim Yang : How ADS and ODs will collaborate in the future : can we take the
source?
Sun : no, because then the whole code should be CDDL.


--=20
Cordialement,
Emmanuel L=E9charny

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Hi guys,<br><br>we haved ha d a BOF (Bird of a feather) yesturday in Austin=
, TX during Apache Conference. Some Sun guys from OpenDS project were with =
us, and we have had a very interesting discussion. Here are the minutes we =
took (sorry for the typoes, I just did my best to get the important points,=
 not trying to be correct - remember that I'm not english native :)
<br><br>Emmanuel<br><br>(FYI : <br>AK =3D Alex Karasulu<br>NB =3D No=EBl Be=
rgman<br>NW =3D Neil Wilson<br>EE =3D Ersin ER<br>Sun =3D someone from Sun,=
 as I don't remember all the names except Neil Wilson, sorry ...)<br><br><b=
r><br>bof minutes:
<br>----------------<br><br>Open DS team is here !<br><br>Alan cabrera ask =
for a little presentation.<br><br>AK : We have had a certification from Ope=
n Group + 1.0. Mitosis is intering the Apache project. Another donation is =
Triplesec which is entering ADS in the next few months, as a subproject.
<br><br>Sun : Multi-master will be integrated into ADS ?<br><br>We may reus=
ed some replication stuff done by Geronimo.<br><br>AK : Wh did you did ODS =
:<br>Sun : three reasons :<br>&nbsp;- customer oriented<br>&nbsp;- they don=
't want to be seen as overtaking a project
<br>&nbsp;(don't remember the 3rd one ...)<br><br><br>AK: we can have more =
than one server in ASF<br>NB : &quot;Customer orientation&quot; is not nece=
ssary something which is mandatory. Ou customer are really needing the very=
 same thing : A working ldap server.
<br><br>Also there is no rules that forbid Sun from becoming committers<br>=
<br><br>NW : has intentionally staid away for OSS. The opening of OpenDS wa=
s done in july 2006<br><br>NB : Are they some opportunity to work together =
right now ? Because Sun can save money and dev effort by working with ADS.
<br><br>There is no reason to not comboning efforts. This will be good for =
two of us.<br><br>NB : Can we discuss that ? Is theis the right place to di=
scuss that ?<br><br>Sun : there is no problem discuss that, but we can't ma=
ke a discision right now. Sun has an history on successfully Ldap server an=
d do not want to spoil the image they have. Performance and scalability is =
one main concern that are to be addressed by te new server.
<br><br>EE : can we work on both project? <br>Sun : the answer is yes.<br><=
br>AK : how many dev on Open DS team ? <br>Sun : 7 full time on ODS and 11 =
in a few weeks.<br>Sun : how many projects commiters ? <br>AK : Probably 20=
, but all volunteers...
<br><br>Sun : Who are we aiming ?<br>AK : Geronimo, ActiveMQ, James...<br><=
br>Sun: What about SP?<br>EE : We have an extended operation + a java code.=
 Trigger can be associated with subentries and execute some code on it.
<br><br>AK : we are many plugable elements : interceptors, backend, protoco=
l handlers, etc<br><br>CDDL is not source compatible.<br><br>JNDI is the ba=
se of the server, but it may change.<br>Sun : We will propose a new API for=
 Ldap operation, like Netscape, which may be open sourced.=20
<br><br>AK : What is the Sun roadmap? <br>Sun : nothing right now, but work=
ing on it.<br><br>NB : How ADS compares to SunDS ?<br>Sun : ADS Documentati=
on sucks ... Some features are not present in ADS. Controls mainly, and ext=
ended operations.
<br><br>Jim Yang : How ADS and ODs will collaborate in the future : can we =
take the source? <br>Sun : no, because then the whole code should be CDDL.<=
br><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Cordialement,<br>Emmanuel L=E9charny

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