Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-directory-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 8745 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2005 10:38:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 28 Jun 2005 10:38:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 5382 invoked by uid 500); 28 Jun 2005 10:38:30 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-directory-dev-archive@directory.apache.org Received: (qmail 5162 invoked by uid 500); 28 Jun 2005 10:38:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@directory.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "Apache Directory Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@directory.apache.org Received: (qmail 5024 invoked by uid 99); 28 Jun 2005 10:38:27 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:38:27 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of mboorshtein@gmail.com designates 64.233.184.198 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.184.198] (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.198) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:38:25 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i5so555735wra for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:38:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Hrwmq5lXrokwq2J4RkmPdIbgBZp3VSf6jcH9qnHbGqvR90btn4PHnx7CFug5q2JjRfVqwagOXA2ICDdy0UWg9a8cJa9KR+K4jFtD1TiYwe4a4IsPX3uigmv3yitaPTYTo8pfs0F1U4Hbm70TBUauy7hQ5bGGxubmCxYJltH4/zg= Received: by 10.54.29.36 with SMTP id c36mr70164wrc; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.138.1 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <800df6390506280338114170c5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 06:38:23 -0400 From: Marc Boorshtein Reply-To: Marc Boorshtein To: Apache Directory Developers List Subject: Re: [apacheds] Which logging framework? In-Reply-To: <42C10828.1010002@apache.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <768dcb2e05062717261892f89c@mail.gmail.com> <800df63905062718565024be6b@mail.gmail.com> <42C10828.1010002@apache.org> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N I guess you learn something new every day :-) marc On 6/28/05, Stephane Bailliez wrote: > Marc Boorshtein wrote: >=20 > >doesn't commons logging do just that? let you easily migrate between > >log4j & built in logging? > > > > > Strong -1 on this, even though I'm not a committer. > commons-logging is bringing chaos wherever it goes in production and > interacting with other components. > So please stop using that in your projects you do, that will help greatly= . >=20 > log4j is flexible, documented and never gets in your way. It offers > features, that are not available anywhere else and certainly not in the J= DK. >=20 > Decision such as this should be made from a production point of view not > from a 'coolness development factor' one. >=20 > Developpers have a tendency to forget that there are folks using these > components in production and that they have something else to do rather > than solve the 'how do I enable this implementation with what flag' > which is all but documented consistently, no mentionning that the > java.util.Logger documentation is extremely poor and unflexible. >=20 > Stephane >