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From Martin Wegner <marty_weg...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: To release or not to release?
Date Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:15:39 GMT
Enrique,

One more question.  How do you guys feel about putting JMX support into
Eve?  Sun is betting the farm on JMX (its built into Java 5) and the JBoss
folks have proven it is a viable technology for servers.  I think Eve
would benefit greatly from it.  But that's just my two cents.


--Marty

--- Enrique Rodriguez <erodriguez@apache.org> wrote:

> Martin Wegner wrote:
> >>From where we sit we need an open source, pure-Java based LDAP Server.
> 
> > Period.  That alone is a giant step forward.  OpenLDAP is just not
> cutting
> > it anymore and the commercial servers are just too expensive.
> > 
> > Once we have that then we can start adding things like direct DSML
> support
> > and using Eve as a front end for other data sources (JDBC, DNS, NIS+,
> > etc.).
> 
> Ha, I was just about to put a couple more schema into JIRA to get into 
> the Eve backend, like DNS and DHCP.  Good to see there may actually be 
> demand, more than just from me.
> 
> Incidentally, there is a new (for an RFC) Kerberos-protected DNS 
> protocol, RFC 3645:
> 
> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3645.html
> 
> I've never heard of this RFC, and just happened to come across it 
> reading other RFC's.  We have the building blocks to put this together, 
> so I'm wondering if there is any demand for it.
> 
> > The first thing this project needs to do is provide a binary
> distribution.
> >  This legitimizes the directory project for people who need components
> not
> > source code.  Once you get a binary distribution out there you'll
> start to
> > hear from folks like us what other bits of data are needed.  But until
> we
> > get a handful of JAR files it is difficult to contribute.
> > 
> > One thing I think you guys should keep in mind is what a lot of people
> are
> > going to do with Eve right off the bat: embed it into a web server,
> like
> > Tomcat.  Most of the open source JMS Servers do that now, right out of
> the
> > box.  It is one of the things that has made ActiveMQ a success.  Eve
> > should be embeddable as well.  We will certainly do it with the first
> JARs
> > get.
> 
> We definitely have embeddability in mind.  The core stuff will be POJO 
> and we'll provide, or help with, wrappers for well-known containers.
> 
> > 
> > Keep up the great work.  This project looks like it is on the right
> track.
> > 
> > 
> > --Marty
> > 
> > --- Alex KaKarasuluaoaok3@bebellsouthet> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Martin WeWegnerrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>As someone who is anxiously waiting for any release of this project,
> I
> >>
> >>am
> >>
> >>>all for the pushing of something so that us folks who only work with
> >>>binary releases can contribute/provide feedback.  Go for it!
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>
> >>Good to see some lurkers out there interested in the project.  Let us 
> >>know what we can do to make life easier for you.  Community is very 
> >>important to us here.
> >>
> >>For example are you interested in a single jar for the JNJNDIve 
> >>provider?  Is there something we can be doing in terms of the site
> docs 
> >>to make the project more navigable?
> >>
> >>Anything is something good and we're listening.  Thanks for posting.
> >>
> >>-Alex
> >>
> >>
> >>>--- Alex KaKarasuluaoaok3@bebellsouthet> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>>After a few conversations with some peeps at A/C I've come to the 
> >>>>conclusion that we should shoot for a release even though we are
> still
> >>
> >>>>under incubation.  Why?  Because I think this will push us to do
> >>
> >>things 
> >>
> >>>>like:
> >>>>
> >>>>o clean up the build,
> >>>>o update documents and site,
> >>>>o fix critical bugs, 
> >>>>o get JIJIRAn order,
> >>>>o get everything building with gugump
> >>>>o tag things in subversion so new development can progress
> >>>>
> >>>>It will also help us see how many active people we have on this
> team. 
> >>
> >>>>I'm seeing more an more of use being active and I think we're
> reaching
> >>
> >>>>critical mass.  A release will help us see just how well we can band
> 
> >>>>together to get some serious work done and who will come out of the
> >>
> >>wood
> >>
> >>>>work to help with that.
> >>>>
> >>>>Keep in mind we may have to try over and over again to get a release
> >>
> >>of 
> >>
> >>>>some kind out the door.  It may take a while.  We may even graduate 
> >>>>incubator before this happens - who knows?  All I'm saying is this
> is
> >>
> >>a 
> >>
> >>>>good way to test our selves.   However there are areas where we will
> >>
> >>be 
> >>
> >>>>branching before this for new experimental changes like what
> TrTrustin
> >>>>would like to do with SESEDAnd Alan and I would like to do with
> >>>>Snickers.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>>Alex
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> 


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