Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-directory-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 89557 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 16:28:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 16:28:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 32758 invoked by uid 500); 7 Jul 2004 16:06:59 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-directory-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 32493 invoked by uid 500); 7 Jul 2004 16:06:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact directory-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Apache Directory Developers List" Reply-To: "Apache Directory Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list directory-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 32393 invoked by uid 99); 7 Jul 2004 16:06:55 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [212.247.154.97] (HELO mailfe04.swip.net) (212.247.154.97) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:06:53 -0700 X-T2-Posting-ID: FLIzhjgVyrNf/n+sjeTZu9mx89jRh/OtFzlcno4YRBk= Received: from [213.101.227.154] (HELO apache.org) by mailfe04.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b6) with ESMTP id 94177031 for directory-dev@incubator.apache.org; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:06:49 +0200 Message-ID: <40EC1FA2.5060707@apache.org> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:06:58 +0200 From: Stephen McConnell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Apache Directory Developers List Subject: Re: Learning deescalation References: <40EBCC22.8080000@apache.org> In-Reply-To: <40EBCC22.8080000@apache.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Nicala: Sorry mate - but you are honestly the last person to preach about deescalation. Let it drop. Stephen. Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > > In the thread "Web site ready - give it a try", there has been an > unneeded escalation of tension because an innocent question has turned > into a bikeshed argument. [1] > > Keep in mind that others *will* ask questions like these the more the > project becomes known, and the project has to learn how to handle them > without making a fuzz out of them each time. > > The suggestions I proposed may as well be wrong: the important thing is > not what the project decides but how it handles pressure. I hope that > it's now clear that learning to de-escalate a storm in a teacup is > important. > > I'd suggest that everyone rereads the whole thread, and tries to see > where things started escalating and why. In particular take notice of > how different people react and which reactions escalate. > > As a general guide, the best way not to escalate tension is through > silence. [2] For example, if at one point I was said "we have already > decided for this", but I still kept on bugging, simply not responding > would have made me desist. > > Finally, as Noel said, voting should not be used to deescalate, as in > fact it does the opposite, and should generally be used only to ratify > important decisions of which there is already consensus, or when the > discussion has been long enough to warrant a stop on it. In this case > the decision was already taken and nobody challenged it (remember, I was > just asking), so it was not needed. If I wanted to start a vote, simply > not voting would have made the issue drop automatically. > > > [1] http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/faq/16.19.shtml > [2] Consensus Gauging through Silence > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html > -- |---------------------------------------| | Magic by Merlin | | Production by Avalon | | | | http://avalon.apache.org | |---------------------------------------|