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From Bertrand Delacretaz <>
Subject Re: [IMPORTANT] Apache DeviceMap going to Attic
Date Thu, 15 Dec 2016 12:40:03 GMT
On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Werner Keil <> wrote:
> The real problem of course was from day one, that DeviceMap had no
> functional committers:-/

I'll just state that the following elements of your message, quoted in
full below, are unacceptable in Apache projects:

-Violating someone's privacy by publishing the outcome of
conversations that you say you had with their manager
-Defamation of people and companies by making unfounded derogatory
statements about them while presenting them as facts

As this list is going to be closed soon I think we'll just leave it at
that, I just wanted our archives to include this statement.


On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Werner Keil <> wrote:
> The real problem of course was from day one, that DeviceMap had no
> functional committers:-/
> While we welcomed Volcan as a committer and a dozen others (including some
> who served on the PMC, too) officially were or still are part of the team
> nobody did commit.
> Beside occasional JIRA posts or patches, there could have been one commit I
> recall Volkan made after he was elected, but hardly more. Not to mention
> any of the other committers/PMC members other than myself or Reza for a
> while.
> Having 13 or 15 committers, but never more than 1 or 2 of them actually
> committing won't work in any project for very long. Unless it's a "One Man
> Show" (which Reza hoped, he could get, but without regular data updates
> like OpenDDR had before we contributed it here, that makes no sense, nor do
> 2 or 3 different data formats, if even 1 cannot be maintained by a
> reasonable number of people)
> I spoke to Volkan's manager who explained, he was transferred to another
> department and could no longer contribute to device or CMS related projects
> including DeviceMap.
> We see that happen quite a bit. Bertrand's Radu's company Adobe also could
> not meet its Spec Lead responsibilities in the Java Content Repository 2.1
> standard (JSR 333: so that JSR went
> dormant. Despite some Apache projects like Jackrabbit or Sling seemingly
> alive and not yet dormant, but they use earlier versions of that standard.
> Oracle also had to hand over the Portlet Bridge standard and either
> withdraw or drastically slow down Java EE JSRs due to lack of resources. We
> seem so see that in many places where Open Source is seen as "Free Lunch"
> but not everyone is willing to cook it or bring the ingredients ;-(
> Radu filed the termination to the board. Which should be processed by it
> during the next meeting.
> Until that I brush up a few documentation pages only which has been
> neglected earlier. It's not like nobody downloads DeviceMap. In fact it saw
> a surge beyond the time of the last releases in the course of 2016 counting
> only Maven access to data or the Java client. So instead of leving
> "scorched earth" or even deleting things from the repository like a few
> former PMC members did, I try to leave it so everyone visiting the archive
> page (which will probably be around as long as exists;-) gets an
> idea what DeviceMap was/is about and if they find the code useful they can
> download it or even fork to make own modifications.
> I'll also vote on the thread where other PMC members did.
> Regards,
> Werner

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