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From Werner Keil <>
Subject Re: [IMPORTANT] Apache DeviceMap going to Attic
Date Thu, 15 Dec 2016 09:59:21 GMT
The real problem of course was from day one, that DeviceMap had no
functional committers:-/
While we welcomed Volcan as a committer and a dozen others (including some
who served on the PMC, too) officially were or still are part of the team
nobody did commit.

Beside occasional JIRA posts or patches, there could have been one commit I
recall Volkan made after he was elected, but hardly more. Not to mention
any of the other committers/PMC members other than myself or Reza for a
Having 13 or 15 committers, but never more than 1 or 2 of them actually
committing won't work in any project for very long. Unless it's a "One Man
Show" (which Reza hoped, he could get, but without regular data updates
like OpenDDR had before we contributed it here, that makes no sense, nor do
2 or 3 different data formats, if even 1 cannot be maintained by a
reasonable number of people)

I spoke to Volkan's manager who explained, he was transferred to another
department and could no longer contribute to device or CMS related projects
including DeviceMap.
We see that happen quite a bit. Bertrand's Radu's company Adobe also could
not meet its Spec Lead responsibilities in the Java Content Repository 2.1
standard (JSR 333: so that JSR went
dormant. Despite some Apache projects like Jackrabbit or Sling seemingly
alive and not yet dormant, but they use earlier versions of that standard.

Oracle also had to hand over the Portlet Bridge standard and either
withdraw or drastically slow down Java EE JSRs due to lack of resources. We
seem so see that in many places where Open Source is seen as "Free Lunch"
but not everyone is willing to cook it or bring the ingredients ;-(

Radu filed the termination to the board. Which should be processed by it
during the next meeting.
Until that I brush up a few documentation pages only which has been
neglected earlier. It's not like nobody downloads DeviceMap. In fact it saw
a surge beyond the time of the last releases in the course of 2016 counting
only Maven access to data or the Java client. So instead of leving
"scorched earth" or even deleting things from the repository like a few
former PMC members did, I try to leave it so everyone visiting the archive
page (which will probably be around as long as exists;-) gets an
idea what DeviceMap was/is about and if they find the code useful they can
download it or even fork to make own modifications.

I'll also vote on the thread where other PMC members did.


On 2016-12-13 01:09 (-0800), Werner Keil <> wrote:

> I don't know, if and how long after the board meeting the SVN will be
> writabe, so prefer doing it now.

It is not good for there to be commits to a project with no one to
oversee them, particularly
if they may be consequential or controversial. Though I believe that
the technical answer
is that the timing of resources closing down depends on whatever
volunteer takes the steps
to initiate the sequence of Attic requests with Infra, you should not
plan to make changes
to the project after it has been retired.

This seems to have gone on for a long time.  Even if the VOTE is not
tidied up or the promised
doc commits landed, since DeviceMap does not have a functional PMC,
the Board may consider
retiring the project regardless a week from tomorrow. The community
has received ample notice.

Marvin Humphrey

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On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Werner Keil <> wrote:

> Do you know, how many weeks after such board meeting infra will turn
> everything R/O in most cases?
> If e.g. the rest of the year (about week after that meeting) SVN to "site"
> still works, I could also do a bit more brushing of doc pages then.
> That is all I forsee, the clients themselves and data in the snapshot
> version is what people can use.
> I spoke to fellow committers from OpenDDR earlier and possible, we'll
> offer something as an alternative there (attic pages of other projects
> suggest you point to those, in theory Reza could also do that, but not sure
> if he'll bother in case of his project as it has not seen any activity for
> a year or more)
> Cheers,
> Werner
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Radu Cotescu <> wrote:
>> Ok, thanks for the update!
>> The only problem is that I'm on PTO starting December 21st and therefore
>> I will not be able to log into ASF's systems. Could you please make sure
>> that everything's ready sooner? Usually we need to send the reports /
>> resolutions one week prior to the board meeting.
>> Thanks,
>> Radu
>> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 at 10:09 Werner Keil <> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> As mentioned, there are one or two doc pages I would like to get into a
>>> proper shape, so it's not all lost and useless (I don't see any other
>>> commit in
>>> I don't know, if and how long after the board meeting the SVN will be
>>> writabe, so prefer doing it now.
>>> AFAIK the meeting is Dec 23, so I'll cast my vote before that.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Werner
>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Radu Cotescu <> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Werner,
>>> >
>>> > IIRC we're just missing your vote in order for me to be able to submit
>>> the
>>> > resolution. Could you please help us out here, so that the resolution
>>> is
>>> > ready before the board's meeting?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Radu
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 at 02:14 Marvin Humphrey <>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2016-11-14 05:29 (-0800), Radu Cotescu <> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Furthermore, the development activity has stagnated in the last
>>> year,
>>> >> which
>>> >> > has led me to think that it might be better to move the project
>>> Attic
>>> >> > [1], which I'll suggest to the board in this month's report.
>>> >>
>>> >> The December Board meeting is a little over a week away, and it seems
>>> >> like retirement preparations are largely played out.  Can the PMC
>>> please
>>> >> submit a resolution to retire the project?
>>> >>
>>> >> Marvin Humphrey
>>> >>
>>> >

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