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From Werner Keil <>
Subject Re: Clients
Date Wed, 01 Apr 2015 17:15:31 GMT
But you see this everywhere in Apache. Commons-Config, Tomcat or Logging:

You'll see even "clones" for .NET called Log4Net, which I believe is far
more modeled after Log4J 1.x, And at least regarding critical bug fixes,
etc. Log4J is maintained and will be for decades to come. There are so many
projects that depend on it, that just becaue Log4J 2 exists doesn't make it
away or force every single Java app around the world to change it because
Log4J 1 has an End of Life (even the JDK doesn't, you just have to pay much
more to Oracle if you needed their help ;-D)


On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Reza Naghibi <> wrote:

> >> I don't see why that prevents others from maintaining them
> That kind of goes against years of project best practices. Generally when
> you have a software project, new features and improvements are released as
> major versions. The assumption is that older versions are deprecated. This
> can repeat forever or until the project hits maturity/stability. I feel
> that this is the norm for most successful projects.
> I think the scenario you are describing is called a branch. That is when a
> project is supporting 2 heads, and im talking about software version heads
> here. The problem is that the branches will complete for features and users
> and developer attention. Thats ok, projects branch all the time. But if you
> are saying that 2 branches should live in the same project house and PMC, I
> dont know if I agree with that. That leads to confusion, disagreement,
> competition, all kinds of bad things. I personally dont have the will to
> move forward with such a project, it takes a mental and emotional toll out
> of you. This project has drained the joy of software out of me because I am
> spending all my time trying to find some kind of rational organization
> here. Maybe im just stuck in my old ways which is why I am prepared to move
> my branch elsewhere. When there is less room for disagreement and
> competition, there is more room for fun.
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Reza Naghibi <> wrote:
> > > ...So I for one have no interest into supporting these clients....
> >
> > Which is totally fine, but I don't see why that prevents others from
> > maintaining them.
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >

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