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From Werner Keil <>
Subject Re: Please stop the negativity towards DeviceMap software
Date Fri, 02 Jan 2015 04:21:12 GMT

None of that helps users by brushing away issues. If you want to ignore
that bugs exist and ignore them by simply closing them without addressing
the actual issue, you're in some parallel Star Trek Universe where people
and companies who might use the project don't matter.

Volkan who proposed a couple of improvements both here in the mailing list
and on JIRA is ignored. Not sure, if he has not submitted his Contributor
Agreement (after all it's holidays, so maybe ASF also won't pick some
things up properly)

I agree maybe introducing this annotation library Lombok may not help us at
this stage, but all other suggestions especially on JIRA are valid yet
ignored even if see the Java 8 incompatibility they mean a problem for the
latest Java version and beyond (I am sure it'll fail with 9 Preview, too)

You volunteered to help as VP, yet some important tasks like having a
proper Jenkins in place were neglected ever since the project graduated.
Not sure, if that's still up to "Uncle Bertrand", but it seemed, most of
these should be taken care by the VP, at least ordering a Jenkins instance.
Most of that is not something PMC members can simply add a new Jenkins job,
etc. Building existing ones, sure, but we cannot change settings without

In fact, it was enabled, but it's broken, see

Nearby (alphabetically) DeltaSpike shows a huge number of build jobs,
against at least 15-20 different Weld versions (CDI RI) alone.
So having one in the case of DeviceMap against device-data 1.0.1 ("stable")
as well as 1.0,2-SNAPSHOT or similar would be the most natural thing.

And now that we know the JVM can affect behavior of at least some modules,
using Java 7 and 8 rather than 6 (which we could still keep in parallel)
would be more sensible.
You keep insisting the stable and mature W3C DDR implementation was
"legacy", but we build using a Java version that Oracle officially
decomissioned already and that even a vast majority of projects and
companies replaced with at least  Java 7 by now.

I hope instead of sticking your head into the sand (or elsewhere) you can
help the project with these necessary steps?


Werner Keil | JCP Executive Committee Member, JSR 363 Co Spec Lead |
Eclipse UOMo Lead, Babel Language Champion | Apache Committer | Advisory
Board Member, DWX '15

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On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 4:58 AM, Reza Naghibi <
> wrote:

> Werner, sometimes I feel that you are in a different universe because
> nothing you said below makes any sense. I do not want to get caught up in
> yet another disagreement with you, especially when the facts are clearly
> being ignored. I have been very clear in the JIRA tickets and in email.
> The focus is the data. We have a lot of new devices to move into the data
> set and a lot of the issues that have been reported are rooted in the data.
> Everything else was just enhancements and will be added in due time. This
> project isn't a sprint, its a marathon.
> Please please please just take a bit of time and clear your mind. You are
> getting lost in the weeds here.
>       From: Werner Keil <>
>  To:; Reza Naghibi <>
>  Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 10:33 PM
>  Subject: Re: Please stop the negativity towards DeviceMap software
> Reza,
> You just ignore the bugs Volkan first discovered by sticking your head into
> the sand. That won't solve the problem. Maybe you should get it out of the
> sand that'll get some fresh air to it I hope;-)
> As of now DeviceMap Classifier suffers from multiple bugs, those unveiled
> so far seem related to a "shuffling" of device hierarchy you did earlier
> (in very few cases after even bothering to ask or consult the other PMC
> members) see or
> Only can be viewed as
> something that was around in OpenDDR data, but having more than one
> reference to device Ids is not necessarily a problem, especially for
> compliant W3C implementations since they are more tolerant in this case.
> It's a voluntary project ever since, so maybe your Unit tests are broken,
> or the classifier code. Especially for
> and
> the data files show no
> duplication, but both the initial entry and its alias
>         <device id="SGP311" parentId="genericSonyEricsson">
>             <property name="model" value="SGP311"/>
>             <property name="marketing_name" value="Xperia Tablet Z"/>
>             <property name="displayWidth" value="1200"/>
>             <property name="displayHeight" value="1920"/>
>             <property name="mobile_browser" value="Android Webkit"/>
>             <property name="device_os" value="Android"/>
>             <property name="device_os_version" value="4.1.2"/>
>             <property name="dual_orientation" value="true"/>
>             <property name="inputDevices" value="touchscreen"/>
>             <property name="is_tablet" value="true"/>
>             <property name="ajax_support_javascript" value="true"/>
>             <property name="ajax_support_getelementbyid" value="true"/>
>             <property name="ajax_support_inner_html" value="true"/>
>             <property name="ajax_manipulate_dom" value="true"/>
>             <property name="ajax_manipulate_css" value="true"/>
>             <property name="ajax_support_events" value="true"/>
>             <property name="ajax_support_event_listener" value="true"/>
>             <property name="image_inlining" value="true"/>
>             <property name="from" value="devicemap"/>
>         </device>
>         <device id="SGP312" parentId="SGP311">
>             <property name="model" value="SGP312"/>
>         </device>
> were added by you in October.
> So either the classifier cannot cope with it or the unit tests could be
> wrong. Why this is covered by the Java 8 bug no idea, but blaming Oracle in
> that case won't help, they will not change Java 8 just to make our Unit
> tests go green again.
> Kudos for Volkan, nobody bothered to set up a CI server instance that was
> either routinely or accidentially disabled when DeviceMap graduated.
> There should have been Jenkins sessions for Java 6, 7 and 8 at least once
> those became available to Apache Infra, we lacked this sort of coverage,
> which  is why Volkan only stumbled upon it almost by accident;-O
> Saying "Everything is great", no problem exists or "It'll be gone and
> nobody plans to use Java 8" with DeviceMap for the time being would be
> wrong and naive.
> Werner
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 4:14 AM, Reza Naghibi
> <
> > wrote:
> > Werner, I warned you to stop the negative comments towards DeviceMap
> > software, but you are continuing your attacks (via DMAP JIRA).
> >
> > Please take a few days to cool off and maybe return a bit more clear
> > headed and refreshed?
> >
> > I am not sure what other options we have here. This is a voluntary
> > project. If you don't agree with it, then please move on and let the rest
> > of us continue to work in peace. If there is a bug or problem, file a
> > and please leave it at that, do not follow up with insulting comments.
> >

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