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From "John D. Ament" <john.d.am...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Date Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:33:56 GMT
BTW, we still don't have a +1 from any of the mentors. :-)


On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:31 AM, John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>wrote:

> Mark,
>
> For the name, I think we still need to do a PNS.  I'll go ahead and enter
> it.  I don't think this process existed when we entered incubation.
>
> John
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>> To come back to your fair points:
>>
>> I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few of
>> your points:
>>
>> * DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike is
>> still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as well.
>> So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year nobody
>> came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a better
>> name.
>>
>> * committers
>> > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>> This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been very
>> vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the mailing
>> list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to get a few
>> hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit - and
>> obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up cannot
>> make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about
>> future contributions from each and everyone!
>> Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added
>> substantial contributions!
>>
>> The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or
>> less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
>> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html .  I don't believe we need
>> > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>>
>> Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public because
>> there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do better.
>>
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html   (make sure
>> you force a page refresh)
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>
>> > To: deltaspike <deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <
>> struberg@yahoo.de>
>> > Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
>> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
>> Top Level Project
>> >
>> > Mark,
>> >
>> > My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
>> > Maybe another month or two :-)
>> >
>> > I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the
>> > documentation on incubator.a.o
>> >
>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
>> >
>> > - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
>> >
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
>> > has
>> > no entry for DeltaSpike.  Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
>> > general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
>> >
>> > However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't
>> > believe we've done this too well.  There are only three developers I
>> see on
>> > the  list that were not on
>> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now
>> have
>> > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>> >
>> > Three releases is good.  I think I even saw a podling attempt to
>> graduate
>> > that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
>> >
>> > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
>> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html .  I don't believe we need
>> > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  Hi John!
>> >>
>> >>  I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>> >>
>> >>  The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial
>> committers
>> >>  are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other.
>> Means
>> >>  code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the
>> CODI
>> >>  Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either
>> the
>> >>  Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my
>> opinion the
>> >>  community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if
>> there
>> >>  are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a
>> pretty
>> >>  stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break
>> because I
>> >>  was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
>> >>  before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be
>> > happier
>> >>  if we would improve our release rate).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  LieGrue,
>> >>  strub
>> >>
>> >>  >________________________________
>> >>  > From: John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>
>> >>  >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
>> >>  struberg@yahoo.de>
>> >>  >Cc: deltaspike <deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org>
>> >>  >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>> >>  >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
>> Apache
>> >>  Top Level Project
>> >>  >
>> >>  >
>> >>  >Sorry, but -1
>> >>  >
>> >>  >
>> >>  >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI
>> > team
>> >>  and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to
>> being a
>> >>  cohesive community.  There has been no real merger of the two
>> communities
>> >>  to form DeltaSpike.  DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and
>> > often."
>> >>  >
>> >>  >
>> >>  >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single
>> team
>> >>  and work on becoming that single team.
>> >>  >
>> >>  >
>> >>  >John
>> >>  >
>> >>  >
>> >>  >
>> >>  >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
>> > <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:
>> >>  >
>> >>  >Lords and Ladies.
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out
of
>> > the
>> >>  Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>> >>  >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>> >>  >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because
>> > of
>> >>  ${reason}
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
>> > forward
>> >>  the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is
>> done,
>> >>  the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>LieGrue,
>> >>  >>strub
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>---------------
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
>> >>  >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> >>  >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> >>  >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> >>  >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> >>  >>open-source software related to creating a set
>> >>  >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>> >>  >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> >>  >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike
>> > Project",
>> >>  >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> >>  >>Foundation; and be it further
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>> >>  >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>> >>  >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>> >>  >>and be it further
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
>> > DeltaSpike" be
>> >>  >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>> >>  >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>> >>  >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
>> > responsibility
>> >>  >>for management of the projects within the scope of
>> >>  >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>> >>  >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>> >>  >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>> >>  >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>> >>  >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>> >>  >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>> >>  >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>> >>  >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>> >>  >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>> >>  >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>> >>  >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>> >>  >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>> >>  >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>> >>  >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>> >>  >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>> >>  >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>> >>  >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>> >>  >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>> >>  >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike,
to
>> >>  >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>> >>  >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>> >>  >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>> >>  >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby
is
>> >>  >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>> >>  >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
>> >>  >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>> >>  >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>> >>  >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>> >>  >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>> >>  >>Project are hereafter discharged.
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >>
>> >>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>> >>  >>
>> >>  >
>> >>  >
>> >>  >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>

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