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From "John D. Ament" <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Date Mon, 25 Mar 2013 23:34:10 GMT

My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
 Maybe another month or two :-)

I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the
documentation on incubator.a.o

- We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
no entry for DeltaSpike.  Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.

However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation: - I don't
believe we've done this too well.  There are only three developers I see on
the  list that were not on - In fact we now have
16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)

Three releases is good.  I think I even saw a podling attempt to graduate
that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)

Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per .  I don't believe we need
100% consensus in the matter then, correct?


On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <> wrote:

> Hi John!
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial committers
> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means
> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI
> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the
> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the
> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there
> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a pretty
> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because I
> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be happier
> if we would improve our release rate).
> LieGrue,
> strub
> >________________________________
> > From: John D. Ament <>
> >To:; Mark Struberg <
> >Cc: deltaspike <>
> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
> Top Level Project
> >
> >
> >Sorry, but -1
> >
> >
> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI team
> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
> cohesive community.  There has been no real merger of the two communities
> to form DeltaSpike.  DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often."
> >
> >
> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team
> and work on becoming that single team.
> >
> >
> >John
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <> wrote:
> >
> >Lords and Ladies.
> >>
> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
> >>
> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
> ${reason}
> >>
> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
> >>
> >>LieGrue,
> >>strub
> >>
> >>
> >>---------------
> >>
> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
> >>
> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> >>open-source software related to creating a set
> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
> >>
> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> >>Foundation; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> >>and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
> >>
> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at>
> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at>
> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at>
> >>Jason Porter < at>
> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at>
> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at
> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at>
> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at>
> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at>
> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at>
> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at>
> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at>
> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at>
> >>David Blevins <dblevins at>
> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at>
> >>John D. Ament <johndament at>
> >>
> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >

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