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From Thomas Andraschko <andraschko.tho...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: DeltaSpike Roadmap
Date Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:10:33 GMT
Sorry but i didn't get it and i know primefaces very good.
Why is RequestContext an alternative for s:validateForm?

2013/3/25 John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>

> They have it, it uses a little bit of javascript:
>
> http://www.primefaces.org/showcase/ui/requestContext.jsf
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Thomas Andraschko <
> andraschko.thomas@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Are you sure? PrimeFaces does not have one. I only know richfaces'
> > graphValidator and it's IMO not that easy and cool as s:validateForm.
> >
> > 2013/3/25 John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>
> >
> > > I believe all of the major JSF component libraries support some type of
> > > form validation using BV.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Thomas Andraschko <
> > > andraschko.thomas@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Any news about s:validateForm?
> > > > As i said, it's great feature of seam3 and would perfectly fit DS
> > (IMO).
> > > >
> > > > I could also add it to DS if no one have enough time... :)
> > > >
> > > > 2012/12/17 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > > there is a reason why it is just an add-on ;)
> > > > > and yes, if you would do it with the jsf2-api, it would be a bit
> > > easier.
> > > > > but you can use this add-on also for jsf 1.x and some users who
> don't
> > > > like
> > > > > to use seam are happy with it.
> > > > > however, i just mentioned it as an example to show that cdi isn't
> > > needed
> > > > to
> > > > > implement such a functionality.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > gerhard
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2012/12/17 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Also, note that the use-cases for <s:validateForm> and
the latter
> > > > example
> > > > > > are different in their usage. IMO, <s:validateForm> is
much more
> > > > > > declarative and simple than the example provided from extval.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just write a validator and attach it like you would normal to
a
> > > > component
> > > > > > in the view, wherever you want to use it. You can also re-use
> > > > > > form-validators using this method, instead of using some (in
my
> > > > opinion)
> > > > > > strange view-filtering logic in the FormValidator annotation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <s:validateForm> is/was one of the most well recieved
feature of
> > Seam
> > > > > > Faces, and I think it deserves serious consideration. Can you
do
> > form
> > > > > > validation other ways? absolutely, but this way is pretty
> > compelling
> > > > > based
> > > > > > on the feedback we got. It also ties in very normally with the
> way
> > in
> > > > > which
> > > > > > JSF handles validation and components, which is not something
> that
> > I
> > > > can
> > > > > > speak about with regard to extval, but I can say that seam faces
> > does
> > > > > this
> > > > > > nicely.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~Lincoln
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Thomas Andraschko <
> > > > > > andraschko.thomas@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please do not mix both :)
> > > > > > > We had the discussion about commons bv constrains.
> s:validateForm
> > > is
> > > > > > > completely different compared to bv constraints.
> > > > > > > s:validateForm does not fit the project for common bv
> > constraints.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Karl Kildén <karl.kilden@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Looks really nice I understand finally :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In retrospect I don't know why I didn't check the
docs
> myself,
> > > > > probably
> > > > > > > > because I read most of the discussion on the phone
to begin
> > with.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I then agree with the many suggestions regarding doing
it as
> a
> > > > > parallel
> > > > > > > > project. Perhaps that module could have a  sub module
for CDI
> > > users
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > included producers and such.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best regards / Karl
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > hi karl,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > it's implemented via a producer - see [1].
> > > > > > > > > but you don't really need cdi for it - see e.g.
[2].
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > > > > gerhard
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [1] http://s.apache.org/ury
> > > > > > > > > [2]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://os890.blogspot.co.at/2010/06/multi-field-form-validation-with-jsr.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Thomas Andraschko <andraschko.thomas@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As far as i understand, validateAll just
validates all
> > > > components
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > can't use custom logic.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Checkout the seam docu here:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://docs.jboss.org/seam/3/faces/latest/reference/en-US/html/components.html
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Karl Kildén <karl.kilden@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hrmm still not sure I understand. First
off didn't Pete
> > > just
> > > > > say
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > just a JSF-validator? It also sounds
and reads just
> like
> > > > > > > validateAll
> > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > omnifaces?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What is lacking that you would like
to see solved by
> CDI?
> > > And
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > it a
> > > > > > > > > > > natural fit for CDI extensions rather
then BV / JSF
> > > > extensions?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards / Karl
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Thomas Andraschko <
> > andraschko.thomas@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > they are nice but i can't see
a replacement for
> > > > > s:validateForm.
> > > > > > > > > > > > IMO s:validateForm is really a
simple solution for
> > > > > cross-field
> > > > > > > > > > > validation,
> > > > > > > > > > > > which is CDI based.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > THomas
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Karl Kildén <karl.kilden@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well these are the validators
from omnifaces as per
> > my
> > > > > > previous
> > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    - RequiredCheckboxValidator<
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/RequiredCheckboxValidator.xhtml
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    - validateAll<
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateAll.xhtml
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    - validateAllOrNone<
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateAllOrNone.xhtml
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    - validateEqual<
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateEqual.xhtml
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    - validateOne<
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateOne.xhtml
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    - validateOneOrMore<
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateOneOrMore.xhtml
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    - validateOneOrNone<
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateOneOrNone.xhtml
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    - validateOrder<
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateOrder.xhtml
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    - validateUnique
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateUnique.xhtml
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    regards / Karl
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Thomas Andraschko
<
> > > > andraschko.thomas@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PrimeFaces doesn't have
such a component/utility.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also AFAICS it's based
on CDI, so IMO DeltaSpike
> > is a
> > > > > good
> > > > > > > > place
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Jason Porter
<lightguard.jp@gmail.com
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 17,
2012 at 4:54 AM, Pete Muir <
> > > > > > > pmuir@redhat.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Dec
2012, at 08:55, Gerhard Petracek
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi karl,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #1 apache
myfaces (extval) doesn't
> implement
> > > jsr
> > > > > 303
> > > > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > > > > > apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bval
implements it)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #2 there
is no agreement that ds is only
> > > backend
> > > > > > > oriented
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gerhard
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17
Karl Kildén <
> > karl.kilden@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi
Thomas, fellow user here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> BV
is as you may know specified in
> JSR-303.
> > It
> > > > has
> > > > > > > great
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementations
by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> myfaces
and hibernate that you can find
> > > easily.
> > > > > Thus
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> implemented
in deltaspike afaik. However
> > > > providing
> > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > common
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraints
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> beyond
the specification sounds like a
> good
> > > > idea.
> > > > > > Note
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> while
@Email is almost trivial to
> implement
> > > > > yourself
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > search
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> little.
JSR-303 is highly extensible just
> > like
> > > > > CDI.
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> choose
might have it as an extra already.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> For
frontend extras I can't say I see an
> > > obvious
> > > > > > home
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > deltaspike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (someone
correct me if I am wrong about
> > this).
> > > > > But I
> > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Deltaspike
is more backend oriented. I
> > > recommend
> > > > > > > having
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > look
> > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > omnifaces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> that
already provide several great custom
> > > > > > > jsf-validators
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> request
for users to ask for additional
> > ones.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> best
regards / Karl
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 2012/12/16
Thomas Andraschko <
> > > > > > > > andraschko.thomas@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
is there a roadmap available for all
> > upcoming
> > > > > > > features?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
Will there also be a BV module in the
> > future?
> > > > > Will
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
commons constraints like Email?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I think
this could be a good thing for a
> > > > > parallel
> > > > > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DeltaSpike
actually - a library of BV
> > constraints
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > branded
> > > > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impl. I've
cc'd Emmanuel, spec lead for BV,
> to
> > > see
> > > > if
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > plans
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a thing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
What about the Seam s:validateForm? IMO
> > it's
> > > a
> > > > > > simple
> > > > > > > > way
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > cross
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
validation. Will this be added in future
> > > > > releases?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not
actually a BV validator, but a
> JSF
> > > > > > > validator. I
> > > > > > > > > > know
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mark
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on
JSF stuff for DeltaSpike atm,
> > perhaps
> > > > this
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could add
to that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this something
that belongs in DeltaSpike,
> or
> > > > should
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > JSF
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > component library?
I know RichFaces has
> something
> > > > very
> > > > > > > > > similar, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > believe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PrimeFaces does
as well (haven't looked for a
> > > while)
> > > > > and
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about other component
libraries.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
How can i contribue to DeltaSpike? I
> could
> > do
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > smaller
> > > > > > > > > > > > tasks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
problems.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
I also implemented constraints like
> > > > > > > > > > > EqualsExpression("#{...}").
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
could be useful for other users, too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This page
should help -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > http://deltaspike.staging.apache.org/deltaspike/community.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
Thomas
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason Porter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://twitter.com/lightguardjp
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open Source Advocate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PGP key id: 926CCFF5
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PGP key available
at: keyserver.net,
> pgp.mit.edu
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Lincoln Baxter, III
> > > > > > http://ocpsoft.org
> > > > > > "Simpler is better."
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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