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From Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Date Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:58:23 GMT
whoopy, why do I always forget sending my own +1 :)

LieGrue,
strub




----- Original Message -----
> From: John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>
> To: Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>; deltaspike <deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
> 
> BTW, we still don't have a +1 from any of the mentors. :-)
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:31 AM, John D. Ament 
> <john.d.ament@gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>>  Mark,
>> 
>>  For the name, I think we still need to do a PNS.  I'll go ahead and 
> enter
>>  it.  I don't think this process existed when we entered incubation.
>> 
>>  John
>> 
>> 
>>  On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de> 
> wrote:
>> 
>>>  To come back to your fair points:
>>> 
>>>  I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few 
> of
>>>  your points:
>>> 
>>>  * DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike 
> is
>>>  still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as 
> well.
>>>  So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year 
> nobody
>>>  came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a 
> better
>>>  name.
>>> 
>>>  * committers
>>>  > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we 
> shrank?)
>>>  This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been very
>>>  vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the 
> mailing
>>>  list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to get a 
> few
>>>  hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit - 
> and
>>>  obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up 
> cannot
>>>  make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about
>>>  future contributions from each and everyone!
>>>  Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added
>>>  substantial contributions!
>>> 
>>>  The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or
>>>  less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following 
> majority, per
>>>  > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html .  I don't 
> believe we need
>>>  > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>>> 
>>>  Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public 
> because
>>>  there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do 
> better.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  LieGrue,
>>>  strub
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html   (make sure
>>>  you force a page refresh)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  > From: John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>
>>>  > To: deltaspike <deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org>; Mark 
> Struberg <
>>>  struberg@yahoo.de>
>>>  > Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
>>>  deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>
>>>  > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM
>>>  > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an 
> Apache
>>>  Top Level Project
>>>  >
>>>  > Mark,
>>>  >
>>>  > My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to 
> blossom yet.
>>>  > Maybe another month or two :-)
>>>  >
>>>  > I will point out an issue which I don't think we've 
> resolved yet per the
>>>  > documentation on incubator.a.o
>>>  >
>>>  > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
>>>  >
>>>  > - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
>>>  >
>>> 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
>>>  > has
>>>  > no entry for DeltaSpike.  Also we have not forwarded the vote 
> thread to
>>>  > general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
>>>  >
>>>  > However, most of my comments are around this section of 
> graduation:
>>>  > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I 
> don't
>>>  > believe we've done this too well.  There are only three 
> developers I
>>>  see on
>>>  > the  list that were not on
>>>  > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we 
> now
>>>  have
>>>  > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we 
> shrank?)
>>>  >
>>>  > Three releases is good.  I think I even saw a podling attempt to
>>>  graduate
>>>  > that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
>>>  >
>>>  > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following 
> majority, per
>>>  > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html .  I don't 
> believe we need
>>>  > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>>>  >
>>>  > John
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg 
> <struberg@yahoo.de>
>>>  wrote:
>>>  >
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >>  Hi John!
>>>  >>
>>>  >>  I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>>>  >>
>>>  >>  The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of 
> initial
>>>  committers
>>>  >>  are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the 
> other.
>>>  Means
>>>  >>  code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people 
> from the
>>>  CODI
>>>  >>  Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is 
> from either
>>>  the
>>>  >>  Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In 
> my
>>>  opinion the
>>>  >>  community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be 
> happy if
>>>  there
>>>  >>  are more commits and contributions from the other folks. 
> There is a
>>>  pretty
>>>  >>  stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >>  We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a 
> break
>>>  because I
>>>  >>  was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we 
> are short
>>>  >>  before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even 
> if I'd be
>>>  > happier
>>>  >>  if we would improve our release rate).
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >>  LieGrue,
>>>  >>  strub
>>>  >>
>>>  >>  >________________________________
>>>  >>  > From: John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>
>>>  >>  >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg 
> <
>>>  >>  struberg@yahoo.de>
>>>  >>  >Cc: deltaspike 
> <deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org>
>>>  >>  >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>>>  >>  >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for 
> Graduation to an
>>>  Apache
>>>  >>  Top Level Project
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >Sorry, but -1
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the 
> former CODI
>>>  > team
>>>  >>  and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true 
> blockers to
>>>  being a
>>>  >>  cohesive community.  There has been no real merger of the two
>>>  communities
>>>  >>  to form DeltaSpike.  DeltaSpike has failed to "release 
> early and
>>>  > often."
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become 
> a single
>>>  team
>>>  >>  and work on becoming that single team.
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >John
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
>>>  > <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >Lords and Ladies.
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating 
> DeltaSpike out of
>>>  > the
>>>  >>  Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>>  >>  >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>>  >>  >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and 
> re-roll because
>>>  > of
>>>  >>  ${reason}
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we 
> gonna tally and
>>>  > forward
>>>  >>  the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once 
> this is
>>>  done,
>>>  >>  the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board 
> meeting.
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>LieGrue,
>>>  >>  >>strub
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>---------------
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>>  >>  >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the 
> best
>>>  >>  >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>>  >>  >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project 
> Management
>>>  >>  >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance 
> of
>>>  >>  >>open-source software related to creating a set
>>>  >>  >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>>  >>  >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project 
> Management
>>>  >>  >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache 
> DeltaSpike
>>>  > Project",
>>>  >>  >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of 
> the
>>>  >>  >>Foundation; and be it further
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and 
> hereby is
>>>  >>  >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of 
> open-source
>>>  >>  >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI 
> Extensions;
>>>  >>  >>and be it further
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, 
> Apache
>>>  > DeltaSpike" be
>>>  >>  >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office 
> to
>>>  >>  >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as 
> the chair
>>>  >>  >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
>>>  > responsibility
>>>  >>  >>for management of the projects within the scope of
>>>  >>  >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and 
> be it further
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below 
> be and
>>>  >>  >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members 
> of the
>>>  >>  >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>>  >>  >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>>  >>  >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>>  >>  >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>>  >>  >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>>  >>  >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>>  >>  >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>>  >>  >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>>  >>  >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>>  >>  >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>>  >>  >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>>  >>  >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>>  >>  >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>>  >>  >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>>  >>  >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>>  >>  >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark 
> Struberg
>>>  >>  >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache 
> DeltaSpike, to
>>>  >>  >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction 
> of the
>>>  >>  >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation 
> until
>>>  >>  >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or 
> disqualification,
>>>  >>  >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be 
> and hereby is
>>>  >>  >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended 
> to
>>>  >>  >>encourage open development and increased 
> participation in the
>>>  >>  >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and 
> hereby
>>>  >>  >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of 
> the Apache
>>>  >>  >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the 
> Apache
>>>  >>  >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the 
> Apache Incubator
>>>  >>  >>Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>
>>> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>>  >>  >>
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>
>>>  >
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

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