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From Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Date Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:21:32 GMT
To come back to your fair points:

I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few of your points:

* DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike is still free of usage
and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as well. So the name is ok. It might not be the
best, but in the last year nobody came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some
day find a better name.

* committers
> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been very vocal about contributing
but ended up not even registering to the mailing list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know
how hard it is to get a few hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit
- and obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up cannot make it to
the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about future contributions from each
and everyone!
Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added substantial contributions!

The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or less regular basis,
and we are doing quite fine in this regard.



> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html .  I don't believe we need
> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?

Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public because there is always room
for improvement and things we can aim to do better. 


LieGrue,
strub



[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html   (make sure you force a page refresh)



----- Original Message -----
> From: John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>
> To: deltaspike <deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
> Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
> 
> Mark,
> 
> My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
> Maybe another month or two :-)
> 
> I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the
> documentation on incubator.a.o
> 
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
> 
> - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
> has
> no entry for DeltaSpike.  Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
> general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
> 
> However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't
> believe we've done this too well.  There are only three developers I see on
> the  list that were not on
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now have
> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
> 
> Three releases is good.  I think I even saw a podling attempt to graduate
> that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
> 
> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html .  I don't believe we need
> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Hi John!
>> 
>>  I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>> 
>>  The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial committers
>>  are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means
>>  code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI
>>  Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the
>>  Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the
>>  community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there
>>  are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a pretty
>>  stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>> 
>> 
>>  We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because I
>>  was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
>>  before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be 
> happier
>>  if we would improve our release rate).
>> 
>> 
>>  LieGrue,
>>  strub
>> 
>>  >________________________________
>>  > From: John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>
>>  >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
>>  struberg@yahoo.de>
>>  >Cc: deltaspike <deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org>
>>  >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>>  >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
>>  Top Level Project
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >Sorry, but -1
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI 
> team
>>  and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
>>  cohesive community.  There has been no real merger of the two communities
>>  to form DeltaSpike.  DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and 
> often."
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team
>>  and work on becoming that single team.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >John
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg 
> <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>  >
>>  >Lords and Ladies.
>>  >>
>>  >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of 
> the
>>  Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>  >>
>>  >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>  >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>  >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because 
> of
>>  ${reason}
>>  >>
>>  >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and 
> forward
>>  the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
>>  the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>>  >>
>>  >>LieGrue,
>>  >>strub
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>---------------
>>  >>
>>  >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>  >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>  >>
>>  >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>  >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>  >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>  >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>  >>open-source software related to creating a set
>>  >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>  >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>  >>
>>  >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>  >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike 
> Project",
>>  >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>  >>Foundation; and be it further
>>  >>
>>  >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>>  >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>>  >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>>  >>and be it further
>>  >>
>>  >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache 
> DeltaSpike" be
>>  >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>  >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>  >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary 
> responsibility
>>  >>for management of the projects within the scope of
>>  >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>  >>
>>  >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>  >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>  >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>  >>
>>  >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>  >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>  >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>  >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>  >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>  >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>  >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>  >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>  >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>  >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>  >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>  >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>  >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>  >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>  >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>  >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>  >>
>>  >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>  >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>>  >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>  >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>  >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>  >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>  >>
>>  >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>>  >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>  >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>  >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>  >>
>>  >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>  >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>  >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>  >>
>>  >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>  >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>  >>Project are hereafter discharged.
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>  >>
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>> 
> 

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