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From Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Date Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:14:46 GMT
Dennis, all fair points. But please consider that we all (well, most of us) do this in our
spare time. 
You are also welcome to join the effort and help us moving forward, provide feedback, documentation,
samples, code, etc



LieGrue,
strub



----- Original Message -----
> From: titou10 titou10 <titou10.titou10@gmail.com>
> To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
> 
> At least @Nicklas, @Esteve and I share almost the same point of view.
> In order:
> 1. have a clear list of things to do to have a basic JSF (ie scopes)
> +JPA+security modules and make them work for DS v0.4
> 2. have a basic documentation for DS v0.4 more from a user/integrator
> point of view than from a DS designer/architect point of view
> 3. have sample apps:
> - one sample app that demonstrate all of the JSF/scopes components,
> with a login page and a basic database model (with derby)
> - one that demonstrate the usaege of DS in J2SE for batchs or unit tests
> 4. find a name: CDILink?  Caramel?  Glue?  Caddie?
> 5. graduate to TLP
> 6. define and publicies what v0.5 will contain: updates in
> JSF+JPA+security+fondation, new modules (cdi-queries, servlet) etc.
> 
> WDYT?
> 
> 2013/3/26 Nicklas Karlsson <nickarls@gmail.com>:
>>  +1
>> 
>>  I guess it's a bit of a "chicken and egg"-thingie (taking off 
> as a project
>>  and building community). The current team is talented and I don't doubt 
> it
>>  will thrive and become the "de facto" extension framework for 
> CDI, however
>>  for the project to really take off it would help if
>> 
>>  * The documentation covered everything that can be done (even brief is
>>  better that nothing)
>>  * A clear roadmap (e.g the focus for 0.5 will be JSF and will cover the
>>  following JIRAs, the estimate release window is xx.xx)
>>  * Tutoring/orchestration for the team (some overview on who could do what,
>>  make sure stuff integrates well)
>>  * A catchy name ;-) I'm not sure if the name is on the table but 
> I'm not
>>  overly fond of the current name. Perhaps something more "snappy" 
> in the
>>  lines of Snap, Crackle, Pop, Chew, Bite. OK, not those but you get the
>>  point...
>> 
>>  And I do appreciate the fact that this is a volunteer-project and people
>>  have limited hours.
>> 
>> 
>>  On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:34 AM, John D. Ament 
> <john.d.ament@gmail.com>wrote:
>> 
>>>  Mark,
>>> 
>>>  My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to 
> blossom yet.
>>>   Maybe another month or two :-)
>>> 
>>>  I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved 
> yet per the
>>>  documentation on incubator.a.o
>>> 
>>>  http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
>>> 
>>>  - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
>>> 
>>> 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
>>>  has
>>>  no entry for DeltaSpike.  Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
>>>  general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
>>> 
>>>  However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
>>>  http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I 
> don't
>>>  believe we've done this too well.  There are only three developers 
> I see on
>>>  the  list that were not on
>>>  http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now 
> have
>>>  16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>>> 
>>>  Three releases is good.  I think I even saw a podling attempt to 
> graduate
>>>  that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
>>> 
>>>  Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following 
> majority, per
>>>  http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html .  I don't believe we 
> need
>>>  100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>>> 
>>>  John
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg 
> <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > Hi John!
>>>  >
>>>  > I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>>>  >
>>>  > The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial
>>>  committers
>>>  > are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. 
> Means
>>>  > code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from 
> the CODI
>>>  > Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from 
> either the
>>>  > Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my 
> opinion
>>>  the
>>>  > community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy 
> if
>>>  there
>>>  > are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is 
> a
>>>  pretty
>>>  > stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break 
> because
>>>  I
>>>  > was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are 
> short
>>>  > before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if 
> I'd be happier
>>>  > if we would improve our release rate).
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > LieGrue,
>>>  > strub
>>>  >
>>>  > >________________________________
>>>  > > From: John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>
>>>  > >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
>>>  > struberg@yahoo.de>
>>>  > >Cc: deltaspike <deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org>
>>>  > >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>>>  > >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to 
> an Apache
>>>  > Top Level Project
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >Sorry, but -1
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the 
> former CODI
>>>  team
>>>  > and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to 
> being a
>>>  > cohesive community.  There has been no real merger of the two 
> communities
>>>  > to form DeltaSpike.  DeltaSpike has failed to "release early 
> and often."
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a 
> single team
>>>  > and work on becoming that single team.
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >John
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg 
> <struberg@yahoo.de>
>>>  wrote:
>>>  > >
>>>  > >Lords and Ladies.
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating 
> DeltaSpike out of the
>>>  > Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>>  > >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>>  > >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll 
> because of
>>>  > ${reason}
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna 
> tally and
>>>  forward
>>>  > the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this 
> is done,
>>>  > the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>LieGrue,
>>>  > >>strub
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>---------------
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>>  > >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>  > >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>>  > >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>>  > >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>>  > >>open-source software related to creating a set
>>>  > >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>>  > >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>  > >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache 
> DeltaSpike Project",
>>>  > >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>  > >>Foundation; and be it further
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby 
> is
>>>  > >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of 
> open-source
>>>  > >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI 
> Extensions;
>>>  > >>and be it further
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache 
> DeltaSpike" be
>>>  > >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>>  > >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the 
> chair
>>>  > >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary 
> responsibility
>>>  > >>for management of the projects within the scope of
>>>  > >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it 
> further
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>>  > >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of 
> the
>>>  > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>>  > >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>>  > >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>>  > >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>>  > >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>>  > >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>>  > >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>>  > >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>>  > >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>>  > >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>>  > >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>>  > >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>>  > >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>>  > >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>>  > >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>>  > >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>>  > >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache 
> DeltaSpike, to
>>>  > >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of 
> the
>>>  > >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>>  > >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or 
> disqualification,
>>>  > >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and 
> hereby is
>>>  > >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>>  > >>encourage open development and increased participation in 
> the
>>>  > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>>  > >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the 
> Apache
>>>  > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the 
> Apache
>>>  > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache 
> Incubator
>>>  > >>Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>
>>>  >
>>> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  >
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  --
>>  Nicklas Karlsson, +358 40 5062266
>>  Vaakunatie 10 as 7, 20780 Kaarina
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