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From Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de>
Subject Re: DeltaSpike Roadmap
Date Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:20:15 GMT
with JSF-2 this is now almost obsolete, isn't?
JSF-2 has <f:validateBean> which works perfectly fine.

LieGrue,
strub




----- Original Message -----
> From: Thomas Andraschko <andraschko.thomas@gmail.com>
> To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: DeltaSpike Roadmap
> 
> Are you sure? PrimeFaces does not have one. I only know richfaces'
> graphValidator and it's IMO not that easy and cool as s:validateForm.
> 
> 2013/3/25 John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>
> 
>>  I believe all of the major JSF component libraries support some type of
>>  form validation using BV.
>> 
>> 
>>  On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Thomas Andraschko <
>>  andraschko.thomas@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  > Any news about s:validateForm?
>>  > As i said, it's great feature of seam3 and would perfectly fit DS 
> (IMO).
>>  >
>>  > I could also add it to DS if no one have enough time... :)
>>  >
>>  > 2012/12/17 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>>  >
>>  > > there is a reason why it is just an add-on ;)
>>  > > and yes, if you would do it with the jsf2-api, it would be a bit
>>  easier.
>>  > > but you can use this add-on also for jsf 1.x and some users who 
> don't
>>  > like
>>  > > to use seam are happy with it.
>>  > > however, i just mentioned it as an example to show that cdi 
> isn't
>>  needed
>>  > to
>>  > > implement such a functionality.
>>  > >
>>  > > regards,
>>  > > gerhard
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > > 2012/12/17 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>
>>  > >
>>  > > > Also, note that the use-cases for <s:validateForm> and 
> the latter
>>  > example
>>  > > > are different in their usage. IMO, <s:validateForm> is 
> much more
>>  > > > declarative and simple than the example provided from 
> extval.
>>  > > >
>>  > > > Just write a validator and attach it like you would normal 
> to a
>>  > component
>>  > > > in the view, wherever you want to use it. You can also 
> re-use
>>  > > > form-validators using this method, instead of using some (in 
> my
>>  > opinion)
>>  > > > strange view-filtering logic in the FormValidator 
> annotation.
>>  > > >
>>  > > > <s:validateForm> is/was one of the most well recieved 
> feature of Seam
>>  > > > Faces, and I think it deserves serious consideration. Can 
> you do form
>>  > > > validation other ways? absolutely, but this way is pretty 
> compelling
>>  > > based
>>  > > > on the feedback we got. It also ties in very normally with 
> the way in
>>  > > which
>>  > > > JSF handles validation and components, which is not 
> something that I
>>  > can
>>  > > > speak about with regard to extval, but I can say that seam 
> faces does
>>  > > this
>>  > > > nicely.
>>  > > >
>>  > > > ~Lincoln
>>  > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Thomas Andraschko <
>>  > > > andraschko.thomas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  > > >
>>  > > > > Please do not mix both :)
>>  > > > > We had the discussion about commons bv constrains. 
> s:validateForm
>>  is
>>  > > > > completely different compared to bv constraints.
>>  > > > > s:validateForm does not fit the project for common bv 
> constraints.
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > 2012/12/17 Karl Kildén <karl.kilden@gmail.com>
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > > Looks really nice I understand finally :-)
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > In retrospect I don't know why I didn't 
> check the docs myself,
>>  > > probably
>>  > > > > > because I read most of the discussion on the phone 
> to begin with.
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > I then agree with the many suggestions regarding 
> doing it as a
>>  > > parallel
>>  > > > > > project. Perhaps that module could have a  sub 
> module for CDI
>>  users
>>  > > > that
>>  > > > > > included producers and such.
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > Best regards / Karl
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > 2012/12/17 Gerhard Petracek 
> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > hi karl,
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > it's implemented via a producer - see 
> [1].
>>  > > > > > > but you don't really need cdi for it - 
> see e.g. [2].
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > regards,
>>  > > > > > > gerhard
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > [1] http://s.apache.org/ury
>>  > > > > > > [2]
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>> 
> http://os890.blogspot.co.at/2010/06/multi-field-form-validation-with-jsr.html
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Thomas Andraschko 
> <andraschko.thomas@gmail.com>
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > As far as i understand, validateAll just 
> validates all
>>  > components
>>  > > > but
>>  > > > > > you
>>  > > > > > > > can't use custom logic.
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > Checkout the seam docu here:
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>> 
> http://docs.jboss.org/seam/3/faces/latest/reference/en-US/html/components.html
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Karl Kildén 
> <karl.kilden@gmail.com>
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > Hrmm still not sure I understand. 
> First off didn't Pete
>>  just
>>  > > say
>>  > > > it
>>  > > > > > was
>>  > > > > > > > > just a JSF-validator? It also 
> sounds and reads just like
>>  > > > > validateAll
>>  > > > > > > from
>>  > > > > > > > > omnifaces?
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > What is lacking that you would like 
> to see solved by CDI?
>>  And
>>  > > is
>>  > > > > it a
>>  > > > > > > > > natural fit for CDI extensions 
> rather then BV / JSF
>>  > extensions?
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > Best regards / Karl
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Thomas Andraschko 
> <andraschko.thomas@gmail.com>
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > Hi,
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > they are nice but i can't 
> see a replacement for
>>  > > s:validateForm.
>>  > > > > > > > > > IMO s:validateForm is really a 
> simple solution for
>>  > > cross-field
>>  > > > > > > > > validation,
>>  > > > > > > > > > which is CDI based.
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > Regards,
>>  > > > > > > > > > THomas
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Karl Kildén 
> <karl.kilden@gmail.com>
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > Well these are the 
> validators from omnifaces as per my
>>  > > > previous
>>  > > > > > > > > > > recommendation:
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >    - 
> RequiredCheckboxValidator<
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>> 
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/RequiredCheckboxValidator.xhtml
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >    - validateAll<
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>> 
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateAll.xhtml
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >    - 
> validateAllOrNone<
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>> 
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateAllOrNone.xhtml
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >    - validateEqual<
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>> 
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateEqual.xhtml
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >    - validateOne<
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>> 
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateOne.xhtml
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >    - 
> validateOneOrMore<
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>> 
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateOneOrMore.xhtml
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >    - 
> validateOneOrNone<
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>> 
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateOneOrNone.xhtml
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >    - validateOrder<
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>> 
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateOrder.xhtml
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >    - validateUnique
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >    <
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>> 
> https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateUnique.xhtml
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >Best
>>  > > > > > > > > > >    regards / Karl
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Thomas 
> Andraschko <
>>  > andraschko.thomas@gmail.com>
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > PrimeFaces 
> doesn't have such a component/utility.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > Also AFAICS it's 
> based on CDI, so IMO DeltaSpike is a
>>  > > good
>>  > > > > > place
>>  > > > > > > > for
>>  > > > > > > > > > it.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Jason 
> Porter <lightguard.jp@gmail.com>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 17, 
> 2012 at 4:54 AM, Pete Muir <
>>  > > > > pmuir@redhat.com
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > wrote:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Dec 
> 2012, at 08:55, Gerhard Petracek wrote:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi 
> karl,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #1 
> apache myfaces (extval) doesn't implement
>>  jsr
>>  > > 303
>>  > > > > > (e.g.
>>  > > > > > > > > apache
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bval 
> implements it)
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #2 
> there is no agreement that ds is only
>>  backend
>>  > > > > oriented
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> regards,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> gerhard
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> 2012/12/17 Karl Kildén <karl.kilden@gmail.com>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> Hi Thomas, fellow user here.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> BV is as you may know specified in JSR-303. It
>>  > has
>>  > > > > great
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> implementations by
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> myfaces and hibernate that you can find
>>  easily.
>>  > > Thus
>>  > > > > > this
>>  > > > > > > > will
>>  > > > > > > > > > not
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > be
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> implemented in deltaspike afaik. However
>>  > providing
>>  > > > > some
>>  > > > > > > > common
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> constraints
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> beyond the specification sounds like a good
>>  > idea.
>>  > > > Note
>>  > > > > > > that
>>  > > > > > > > in
>>  > > > > > > > > > the
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > mean
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> while @Email is almost trivial to implement
>>  > > yourself
>>  > > > > if
>>  > > > > > > you
>>  > > > > > > > > > search
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > it
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > a
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> little. JSR-303 is highly extensible just like
>>  > > CDI.
>>  > > > > The
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > implementation
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > you
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> choose might have it as an extra already.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> For frontend extras I can't say I see an
>>  obvious
>>  > > > home
>>  > > > > in
>>  > > > > > > > > > > deltaspike
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> (someone correct me if I am wrong about this).
>>  > > But I
>>  > > > > > think
>>  > > > > > > > for
>>  > > > > > > > > > now
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> Deltaspike is more backend oriented. I
>>  recommend
>>  > > > > having
>>  > > > > > a
>>  > > > > > > > look
>>  > > > > > > > > > at
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > omnifaces
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> that already provide several great custom
>>  > > > > jsf-validators
>>  > > > > > > and
>>  > > > > > > > > has
>>  > > > > > > > > > > an
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > open
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> request for users to ask for additional ones.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> best regards / Karl
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> 2012/12/16 Thomas Andraschko <
>>  > > > > > andraschko.thomas@gmail.com
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>>  Hi,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>> 
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>>  is there a roadmap available for all upcoming
>>  > > > > features?
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>> 
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>>  Will there also be a BV module in the future?
>>  > > Will
>>  > > > it
>>  > > > > > > also
>>  > > > > > > > > > > include
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > some
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>>  commons constraints like Email?
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I 
> think this could be a good thing for a
>>  > > parallel
>>  > > > > > > project
>>  > > > > > > > to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > DeltaSpike 
> actually - a library of BV constraints
>>  > not
>>  > > > > > branded
>>  > > > > > > > by
>>  > > > > > > > > a
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > specific
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > impl. 
> I've cc'd Emmanuel, spec lead for BV, to
>>  see
>>  > if
>>  > > > he
>>  > > > > > has
>>  > > > > > > > any
>>  > > > > > > > > > > plans
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > for
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a 
> thing.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>> 
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>>  What about the Seam s:validateForm? IMO it's
>>  a
>>  > > > simple
>>  > > > > > way
>>  > > > > > > > for
>>  > > > > > > > > > > cross
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > field
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>>  validation. Will this be added in future
>>  > > releases?
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is 
> not actually a BV validator, but a JSF
>>  > > > > validator. I
>>  > > > > > > > know
>>  > > > > > > > > > Mark
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > is
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on 
> JSF stuff for DeltaSpike atm, perhaps
>>  > this
>>  > > > is
>>  > > > > > > > > something
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > Jason
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > could add 
> to that.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this 
> something that belongs in DeltaSpike, or
>>  > should
>>  > > > it
>>  > > > > be
>>  > > > > > > in
>>  > > > > > > > a
>>  > > > > > > > > > JSF
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > component 
> library? I know RichFaces has something
>>  > very
>>  > > > > > > similar, I
>>  > > > > > > > > > > believe
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > PrimeFaces does 
> as well (haven't looked for a
>>  while)
>>  > > and
>>  > > > I
>>  > > > > > have
>>  > > > > > > > no
>>  > > > > > > > > > idea
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > about other 
> component libraries.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>> 
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>>  How can i contribue to DeltaSpike? I could do
>>  > > some
>>  > > > > > > smaller
>>  > > > > > > > > > tasks
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > without
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>>  problems.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>>  I also implemented constraints like
>>  > > > > > > > > 
> EqualsExpression("#{...}").
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 
> this
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>>  could be useful for other users, too.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > This page 
> should help -
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > 
> http://deltaspike.staging.apache.org/deltaspike/community.html
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>> 
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>>  Best regards,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>>  Thomas
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>>>> 
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > --
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason Porter
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com
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