Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-deltaspike-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-deltaspike-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E8E99F1F for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 90311 invoked by uid 500); 14 Jun 2012 06:15:46 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-deltaspike-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 90242 invoked by uid 500); 14 Jun 2012 06:15:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact deltaspike-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 90177 invoked by uid 99); 14 Jun 2012 06:15:45 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:15:45 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.2 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO,FSL_FREEMAIL_1,FSL_FREEMAIL_2,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [77.238.189.77] (HELO nm20.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.77) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:15:38 +0000 Received: from [77.238.189.49] by nm20.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2012 06:15:17 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.114] by tm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2012 06:15:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2012 06:15:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 89038.41396.bm@omp1023.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 27119 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2012 06:15:17 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1339654517; bh=SZOAjwTYVAbwUEGShxt/mFw+Ib7mhif4dAHVigOvFRw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hj3mLF5sH+CDLuRo1zQ36kkg1uFalO9H+uFS4xs1+/YNzet1m61pd7yvVE9LC2jSuAtB+JVuqJBDFAMdF5RVTubXsxdyCPC0xKpAHv2zkAo6H6W9ZHHyoN2obFS/unNt8hiq47eaO3JYhUhJBnld17wY/dB8uXZgyn3OKj6QTlY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mqnppQycyg683pAHm68ClrSPOqt3ymeYlmE/XqMFlZye642W/zIemyDVcU5XnBfiKN/X72xxNrVjW/1Q0zZ2gfKpz3UtSbOhbMEW5UnD7J755CJzlGmZV/JjD6KqEH8lm6rKWdU8ryQ/AlGbqbp5yhwqfwz7BubQ2bb1gHGaEFk=; X-YMail-OSG: xABMy70VM1nnuAFPwThiQq9JO0uUl_bIs2lRj8WSuFfEH0I I3Cm3YdvjVmY6dkN4QQwrxaW4zwSP7vFZTYWFPRxp1Qa0z7KX7a5kbCejMVP xN9IHEsCKPQUQfkhSShra888SFo2Yjbngb0ZUwVaWwyPqrTFQjI9Z51k_9zD 2C8EkLoZ2G_8tg8IZFsPT0l3.IA9KcOFgas8cd2JLUDRE9ZApOu7gls_wFnU R__s87YUfbiROAAh9xL6Uuz0uA8uFktg1PrT6EX.SzdJnPY45nIBtXAvpCaf MohLVNcEsciERK06.36Du97tmrXYOAwRuFMQlDwsWKAxirDu81LZnRlutjbJ LhBW92Kn9FczNBJkWRj.8X7mg9ofNcY7..QdXGst4F6aqOCq3aSOiNtDigU5 B50iUZUqaQd.wHQu0KE6aQndR4uckqQYAmH9o Received: from [128.130.32.113] by web171502.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:15:16 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1339649080.8905.YahooMailNeo@web171504.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <0FFE0021-2A6F-440E-8D3E-37B8CB16FC0D@sabot-durand.net> Message-ID: <1339654516.26745.YahooMailNeo@web171502.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:15:16 +0100 (BST) From: Mark Struberg Reply-To: Mark Struberg Subject: Re: [VOTE] Converter framework To: "deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org" In-Reply-To: <0FFE0021-2A6F-440E-8D3E-37B8CB16FC0D@sabot-durand.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org =0A=0AYes, perfectly fine to explore the Converter stuff in a feature branc= h and also perfectly fine to even do this in master IF we found a GOOD use = case for it!=0A=0AI'm not a priori against adding new features, even if the= y are a bit more heavyweight. But I really see no reason for adding complex= stuff which has no use case so far.=0A=0AThis also doesn't mean that this = work was done badly and unimportant. It just means that - after a thorough = review - we found an even better solution. Nontheless, Gerhards input was r= eally important, as it provided a base ground for an in depth discussion an= d review. Sometimes we need to test different ideas and ways and only when = implementing it you will see if it gets complicated or if it turns out nice= ly.=0A=0ALieGrue,=0Astrub=0A=0A=0APS: I'd be more than happy if our EE expe= rts review the ConfigurableDataSource in depth _and_ if we get some input a= bout a possible JTA module (see the discussion with Jason a few days back).= =0A=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Antoine Sabot-Duran= d =0A>To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org; Ma= rk Struberg =0A>Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:03 AM= =0A>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Converter framework=0A> =0A>=0A>+1 now but keep it = for later.=0A>=0A>=0A>Antoine SABOT-DURAND=0A>-----------------------------= ----------=0A>http://agorava.og=0A>@antoine_sd=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Le 14 juin 20= 12 =E0 06:44, Mark Struberg a =E9crit :=0A>=0A>a.) What is this for? -> no = one knows=0A>>b.) Do we need it in DeltaSpike? -> not yet.=0A>>c.) Do we ne= ed it for JSF? -> No, JSF has it's own Converter logic=0A>>d.) Do we need i= t somewhere else? -> No, not afaik=0A>>=0A>>So let's drop the Converter stu= ff which is currently of no use and really complicated to get right?=0A>>Ju= st remember that this was more or less a 1:1 copy of the Spring logic which= has not so easily extendible producer methods.=0A>>=0A>>[+1] Drop it, our = code will get complicated enough anyway=0A>>=0A>>[+0] Meh, don't care=0A>>= =0A>>[-1]=A0 keep it because it is very important (+ give use case and reas= ons)=0A>>=0A>>LieGrue,=0A>>strub=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>