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From Jason Porter <>
Subject Re: IP discussion
Date Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:24:40 GMT
Would someone like myself or Shane work or do we need someone higher up in
the organization or a lawyer to sign off on it?

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 13:13, Matt Benson <> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Jason Porter <>
> wrote:
> > Of course, I don't deal with legal matters, but would the simplest way
> be to have a statement from someone representing Red Hat that code from
> Seam 3 and Solder is permissible to use?
> That would be great.  Failing that, taking all contributions on the
> merits of their individual authors' copyright ownership is fine too;
> I'd just like for us to be more explicit about it.
> Thanks for your quick response (and sorry you had to read the original
> message on a phone ;)  ),

It worked, no worries.

> Matt
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jan 14, 2012, at 13:00, Matt Benson <> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>  Deltaspike is a bit unusual as podlings go:  its code is not a
> >> "drop" from one single source (which would typically be accompanied by
> >> a software grant), nor is its code grown entirely from nothing.  Part
> >> of the incubation process requires the necessary precautions be taken
> >> to ensure that the project's IP is not encumbered in any way.  I'm not
> >> here to scold folks, but now that I step back and take in the
> >> landscape, I am not fully comfortable with our process thus far wrt
> >> absorbing code from the various points of ingress we all represent.
> >> I'll go on:
> >>
> >>  Firstly, it's simply a fact that the CODI code is a non-issue:  it's
> >> been grown under the auspices of an Apache TLP and there is no reason
> >> to doubt that it remains as unencumbered now as ever.  I mention this
> >> because it's not at all like I or anyone else is of the "old boys
> >> club" mentality or any such nonsense; I'm just categorizing the
> >> DeltaSpike codebase as it now stands.  Thus far, I am concerned by the
> >> Solder-based code.  For example, the copyright notice at
> >>
> >> (this is pretty clearly the same code as currently lives in the
> >> DeltaSpike repo) says "Copyright 2011, Red Hat, Inc. and/or its
> >> affiliates, and individual contributors by the @authors tag".  The
> >> @authors tag cites Stuart Douglas and Pete Muir, so I read the notice
> >> as saying that copyright is shared between these individuals and Red
> >> Hat for this particular file.  Fine; both Stuart and Pete have filed
> >> their ICLAs and have received their accounts (I've not checked the
> >> other files, but I assume they are similarly attributed).  However,
> >> Jason actually committed the code.  This is not necessarily wrong; Red
> >> Hat does have a corporate CLA on file with the ASF, and Jason is a Red
> >> Hat employee.  IMO then the only thing missing is an unequivocal
> >> statement on the parts of the Red Hat-employed DeltaSpike committers
> >> that any of them (or, in this case, at least Jason) is authorized to
> >> license whatever Solder, etc. code he sees fit, on Red Hat's behalf,
> >> to Apache for inclusion in the DeltaSpike codebase.  Just because Red
> >> Hat has filed the CCLA does not mean that every line of their code is
> >> now up for grabs, and I see nothing to this explicit effect in the
> >> incubation proposal, so that connection from point A to point B is
> >> essential.  We must be able to show clear provenance for any code that
> >> we bring in, regardless of the source, so again, please don't feel
> >> "singled out."  The builder code is the first example I thought of,
> >> and I'm pretty sure that nothing has, as yet, been added from source
> >> other than CODI/Solder.  Now, if the Solder code is rather to be
> >> contributed on the basis of the individual authors' copyrights, making
> >> sure everything that has already been added is kosher will require a
> >> little more work, but ultimately the situation is the same:  one of
> >> the copyright holders needs to have been responsible for licensing the
> >> code for ASF use, although it is fine by me if that authorization
> >> comes in blanket form and I'm perfectly willing to take committers at
> >> their word wrt to the Red Hat or any similar situation.  Finally, if
> >> and when we do end up with any code being officially licensed from Red
> >> Hat rather than from the individual authors (or if I've misinterpreted
> >> the spirit of the Solder copyright notice), then Red Hat would also
> >> need to be credited in the project's NOTICE file.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for addressing my concerns (or pointing out what
> >> I've missed that proactively addressed them),
> >> Matt

Jason Porter

Software Engineer
Open Source Advocate
Author of Seam Catch - Next Generation Java Exception Handling

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