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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 08:40:49 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider
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Since we have quite a few vetos against Java5 usage for this new project, I=
'd say we go with Java6. Java7 is right around the corner, and Java5 is rea=
lly only legacy now. If projects still need to use java5, they can of cours=
e also use Seam3 and CODI until they hava moved their servers.=0A=0ALieGrue=
,=0Astrub=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0A> From: Jason Porter <l=
ightguard.jp@gmail.com>=0A> To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org=0A> Cc:=
 =0A> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:44 AM=0A> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [=
DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider=0A> =0A> If we wanted to try it later that's=
 fine.=0A> =0A> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 02:41, Mark Struberg <struberg@yaho=
o.de> wrote:=0A> =0A>>  We could try to use retro-translate to produce java=
5 compatible artifacts=0A>>  later?=0A>> =0A>>  LieGrue,=0A>>  strub=0A>> =
=0A>> =0A>> =0A>>  ----- Original Message -----=0A>>  > From: Jason Porter =
<lightguard.jp@gmail.com>=0A>>  > To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org=
=0A>>  > Cc:=0A>>  > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 4:45 AM=0A>>  > Subjec=
t: Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider=0A>>  >=0A>>  > We have it=
 in Seam, and Weld for that Java 5 support, but I'd =0A> prefer to=0A>>  > =
stay on 6+. We *could* do a version compiled for jdk5. But then we get=0A>>=
  into=0A>>  > issues of which branch, making sure it's all Java 5 features=
, etc.=0A>>  >=0A>>  > -0.5=0A>>  >=0A>>  > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 04:45, =
Jos=E9 Rodolfo Freitas <=0A>>  > joserodolfo.freitas@gmail.com> wrote:=0A>>=
  >=0A>>  >>=A0 +0=0A>>  >>=0A>>  >>=A0 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Ge=
rhard Petracek <=0A>>  >>=A0 gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:=0A>>  >>=0A=
>>  >>=A0 > hi john,=0A>>  >>=A0 >=0A>>  >>=A0 > this feature won't prevent=
 users from using deltaspike =0A> with candi=0A>>  >>=A0 > (even >if< candi=
 only supports java6+).=0A>>  >>=A0 >=0A>>  >>=A0 > regards,=0A>>  >>=A0 > =
gerhard=0A>>  >>=A0 >=0A>>  >>=A0 >=0A>>  >>=A0 >=0A>>  >>=A0 > 2011/12/22 =
John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>=0A>>  >>=A0 >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > Hi Ger=
hard,=0A>>  >>=A0 > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > How about resin (CanDI)?=0A>>  >>=A0 =
> >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > John=0A>>  >>=A0 > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > On=
 Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Gerhard Petracek <=0A>>  >>=A0 > > gerhard.p=
etracek@gmail.com> wrote:=0A>>  >>=A0 > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > hi john,=0A>>  =
>>=A0 > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > the impl. would >not< be bound to a cdi =0A> =
impl.=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > owb as well as weld (see [1]) support java5.=0A>>  =
>>=A0 > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > regards,=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > gerhard=0A>>  >>=
=A0 > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > [1]=0A>>  >>=A0 > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > >=0A>>  >=
>=A0 > >=0A>>  >>=A0 >=0A>>  >>=0A>>  >=0A>> =0A> https://github.com/weld/c=
ore/blob/master/impl/src/main/java/org/jboss/weld/util/ServiceLoader.java=
=0A>>  >>=A0 > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > 20=
11/12/22 John D. Ament =0A> <john.d.ament@gmail.com>=0A>>  >>=A0 > > >=0A>>=
  >>=A0 > > > > -1=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > Java5 is past EOL at this point.=A0 =
Not =0A> suitable for=0A>>  > production=0A>>  >>=A0 > > deployments=0A>>  =
>>=A0 > > > > from my perspective.=A0 Java EE 6 (since any =0A> code we=0A>=
>  > write for delta=0A>>  >>=A0 > > spike=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > is=0A>>  >>=A0=
 > > > > against EE6) is for Java SE 6.=A0 Even if the=0A>>  > implementati=
on is using=0A>>  >>=A0 > > Java=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > 5=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > at=
 compilation time, the runtime is 6; and I =0A> would hope=0A>>  > we would=
=0A>>  >>=A0 code=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > against spec rather than specific imp=
ls.=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > John=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > >=0A>>  =
>>=A0 > > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Gerhard =0A> Petracek <=0A>>=
  >>=A0 > > > > gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > >=0A>>=
  >>=A0 > > > > > hi @ all,=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > > fyi=
: please check [1] before you answer.=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > >=
 > > > [2] is the implementation used in owb. i =0A> suggest=0A>>  > to sta=
rt with it=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > (instead=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > > of the versio=
n of codi), because the =0A> version of=0A>>  > codi provides=0A>>  >>=A0 >=
 > > additional=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > > mechanisms we might need later on (if=
 we =0A> include=0A>>  > the=0A>>  >>=A0 corresponding=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > =
> features).=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > > the basic concept:=
=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > > ServiceProvider (btw. =0A> DefaultLoaderService) is =
a=0A>>  > custom=0A>>  >>=A0 > > implementation=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > of=0A>>  =
>>=A0 > > > > > the ServiceLoader mechanism which allows =0A> to use=0A>>  =
> codi with java=0A>>  >>=A0 1.5=0A>>  >>=A0 > > (if=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > th=
e=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > > cdi container allows it as well).=0A>>  >>=A0 > > >=
 > > in case of java6+ the std. ServiceLoader =0A> gets=0A>>  > used.=0A>> =
 >>=A0 > > > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > > please send=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > > +1=
, +0 or -1 because...=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > > for the basic idea as well as t=
he basic =0A> concept.=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > > if there are >basic< objection=
s, =0A> please also=0A>>  > add them to [3]=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > >=0A>>  >>=
=A0 > > > > > regards,=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > > gerhard=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > >=
=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > > [1] =0A> http://markmail.org/message/7yefspfuvtz4jvm=
p=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > > [2]=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > >=0A>=
>  >>=A0 > > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > >=0A>>  >>=A0 >=0A>>  >>=
=0A>>  >=0A>> =0A> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openwebbeans/tags/openw=
ebbeans-1.1.3/webbeans-impl/src/main/java/org/apache/webbeans/service/Defau=
ltLoaderService.java=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > > [3]=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > >=0A>>  =
>>=A0 > > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > >=0A>>  >>=A0 >=0A>>  >>=0A>>=
  https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/SE+Feature+Ranking=
=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > > >=0A>>  >>=A0 > =
>=0A>>  >>=A0 >=0A>>  >>=0A>>  >=0A>>  >=0A>>  >=0A>>  > --=0A>>  > Jason P=
orter=0A>>  > http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com=0A>>  > http://twitter.com/=
lightguardjp=0A>>  >=0A>>  > Software Engineer=0A>>  > Open Source Advocate=
=0A>>  > Author of Seam Catch - Next Generation Java Exception Handling=0A>=
>  >=0A>>  > PGP key id: 926CCFF5=0A>>  > PGP key available at: keyserver.n=
et, pgp.mit.edu=0A>>  >=0A>> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> -- =0A> Jason Porter=0A> h=
ttp://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com=0A> http://twitter.com/lightguardjp=0A> =
=0A> Software Engineer=0A> Open Source Advocate=0A> Author of Seam Catch - =
Next Generation Java Exception Handling=0A> =0A> PGP key id: 926CCFF5=0A> P=
GP key available at: keyserver.net, pgp.mit.edu=0A>