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From: Thomas Fischer <fischer@seitenbau.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:36:28 +0200
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You are certainly right, but this is not a problem. In the runtime, we
already have the adapter classes to accomodate differences between
databases. We would give the adapter a function called getLobStyle(), and
it returns LOB_STYLE_NORMAL for all databases except oracle, which would
return LOB_STYLE_WEIRD_ORACLE_STYLE.

Then, when a lob is to be written into the database, the Peer class can ask
the adapter for its lob style, and act accordingly.
Note that this is not possible with village at the moment, because we have
two different village libraries, one uses only LOB_STYLE_NORMAL, and the
other uses only  LOB_STYLE_WEIRD_ORACLE_STYLE, and runtime switching
between them is not possible.

     Thomas


Bill Leng <wleng@metatomix.com> schrieb am 15.08.2005 16:16:21:

> I guess getting rid of village will not solve the lob problem. The lob
> problem is deeply rooted in the JDBC drivers. Torque cannot support lob
> stuff without doing some like
> if(oracle) doThis
> else if(db2) doThat
> else ....
>
> Bill
>
> Thomas Fischer wrote:
> > Henning,
> >
> > it is really nice of you to offer that. My own _PERSONAL_ feelings
about
> > it are as follows:
> > The biggest problem which I have with village is the oracle lob stuff.
I
> > am using Saravanna Kannan's version of villag with oracle, which works
> > fine if one just uses oracle, but does not work with other databases.
My
> > feeling is that creating a version which supports both oracle lobs and
> > other databases is too much work considering that we want to chuck out
> > village anyway.
> >
> > So thanks for the offer, but for me as a Torque user it does not help
me.
> >
> >   Thomas
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
> >
> >> Thomas Fischer <tfischer@apache.org> writes:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Robert Dietrick wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>> The only remaining question now is: why on earth does Torque query
the
> >>>> database meta data before inserting when the OR mapping provides all

> >>>> the
> >>>> information the system needs about the database?
> >>>>
> >>
> >>> This is one of the problems associated with the usage of the village
> >>> library. Not being one of the orignial authors of Torque, it seems
that
> >>> using this library has sped up the development of Torque quite a lot
in
> >>> the beginning, but now it is limitating Torque in quite a few places.
It
> >>> might happen that at some point, the village library is thrown out of
> >>> Torque, but village is linked deeply into Torque, so this will be a
> >>> lot of
> >>> work and is also likely to cause some trouble.
> >>
> >>
> >> Just a quick opinion poll between our users:
> >>
> >> As Village is a constant source of pain and those that are currently
> >> using the 3.1 branch of Torque and probably also the 3.2 release will
> >> be stuck on Village:
> >>
> >> Any interest from you if I just whip up a small "branched Village"
> >> site outside of the ASF, apply all the patches to the village tree
> >> that you like to see and then just build a "village-<some
> >> version>.jar" that we can distribute through ibiblio?
> >>
> >> This wouldn't be a hard thing to do and though the plans for post-3.2
> >> releases are to get rid of village, this might help our current users
> >> in the short run.
> >>
> >> As I already have a village tree that builds with maven, building a
> >> site would be no big deal.
> >>
> >>     Regards
> >>         Henning
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen          INTERMETA GmbH
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> >>
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