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From Bill Leng <wl...@metatomix.com>
Subject Re: (frustrated torque first timer) Please update the Tutorial
Date Wed, 06 Jul 2005 19:39:20 GMT

thanks a lot for the inside info. regarding to 3.2, is there a plan to 
remove the use of deprecated methods in the generated peer class? It 
sounds silly to have the auto-generated java file to use deprecated 
code. :-)



Thomas Fischer wrote:

> Hi,
> We do have a problem with documentation in Toque, I agree to that. In 
> my opinion, however, the tutorial is not the problem (although there 
> might be a few unclear points). The real problem is the very patchy 
> users guide.
> I remember I have tried to follow the tutorial when Torque 3.1.1 was 
> released, and I did not have a problem to get the sample application 
> running, when I followed exactly the steps outlined in the tutorial. 
> The problems uually arise when one plays around a bit (to learn more 
> about the framework), and one inserts some errors which are not easy 
> to notice.
> However, when I tried to follow the tutorial, I did not start from the 
> very beginning, which made things easier. I remember it was a hassle 
> setting up maven, and maybe I already had the driver at the right place.
> When releasing Torque 3.1.1, the tutorial was improved very much from 
> the 3.1 version. I still remember the wekly posts on the mailing lists 
> about the errors in the tutorial; they have reduced to about two posts 
> in half a year after 3.1.1. From that I conclude that the tutorial is 
> quite ok now.
> Yong, thanks for noting some of the weak points in the tutorial. I 
> will look at the point you critisize and see how it can be improved. 
> There is just one thing I can answer without some research: the 
> postgresql create-db task is not working in all circumstances (no idea 
> whether it works in any circumstances at all), but creating the db 
> manually is fine. In some databases (e.g. oracle) Torque does not even 
> try to create the db. I will add a remark on that.
> Brent, I appreciate very much you willing to rewrite the tutorial. But 
> (as you might have noticed) I am of the opinion that the Tutorial as 
> it is now is far too good to be simply thrown away. However, if you 
> have ideas of particular points that can be improved, I'll be glad to 
> hear them.
> Bill, some plans exist to release Torque 3.2 in the not-so-far future. 
> It will contain the ant build scripts again as an alternative to 
> maven. However, I am unsure whether this should be put into the 
> tutorial at all. Maybe there should be two tutorials, one for ant and 
> one for maven. But this is not thought to the end yet.
> All I have written here is my own personal opinion, I hope nobody 
> feels offended. If you disagre with me, I'd be happy to hear about it 
> on the users mailing list.
>        Thomas
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