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From Scott Eade <se...@backstagetech.com.au>
Subject Re: village
Date Thu, 17 May 2007 12:48:00 GMT
That's fine Thomas - I certainly wasn't suggesting any changes in the 
short term.  What I was trying to say was that I do not believe there 
would be any legal or relicensing issues - we have the author (Jon's) 
permission to pull out whatever we need and to use it (update license 
headers and change package names) and I also believe that the ASF 
Membership would in this particular instance be okay with this.  But it 
is certainly only something that could be done if it made things easer 
for us in some way.

One other thing to consider is that in all the world, Torque is 
apparently the only project using the code.  I sure hope that someone is 
backing up softwareforge.de.


Thomas Fischer wrote:
> I currently do not have the time and the nerves to deal with the legal 
> stuff, relicensing the code, adapt our imports etc. If someone else 
> wants to do it, fine; but I do not see any advantages except that we 
> could patch the code (But I did not see any attemt to do this for a 
> long time).
> As for the smooth transition, we can also have this if we use the 
> forked version.
>    Thomas
> On Thu, 17 May 2007, Scott Eade wrote:
>> Actually Thomas, as a long time ASF Member, Jon is well aware of the 
>> issues with regards to bringing code into the ASF (you will find his 
>> name in bunches of author tags in Turbine, including the earliest 
>> revision of Turbine.java to be found in svn [dated 2001-08-16] and 
>> even a few in Torque).
>> Torque has actually been using a fork of Village for a while now, 
>> hosted at http://www.softwareforge.de/projects/village/
>> I see that Jon has taken share.whichever.com offline - this was 
>> probably what prompted him to offer the code to Torque.
>> Given all of the relevant factors (Jon, his offer, the fork, the 
>> license, the plan to phase Village out of Torque) I suggest that we 
>> pull any of the classes we use into Torque itself.  Doing this should 
>> make phasing it out quite a bit easier since we will be free to 
>> refactor the code however we see fit rather than having to eliminate 
>> it in one fell swoop.
>> Scott
>> Thomas Fischer wrote:
>>> Hi Jon,
>>> Thanks for the offer. I'm afraid that donating the code to the ASF 
>>> involves a lot of legal overhead, so personally I'd rather not put 
>>> the code to ASF. If you are ok with making the village code 
>>> available at a third place, we'd rather do that.
>>>    Thomas
>>> On Sun, 6 May 2007, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
>>>> Hi there,
>>>> I'm the author of Village.
>>>> I'm not sure if Torque still uses Village under the covers, but I'd 
>>>> like to stop hosting the CVS/SVN tree and give the code over to you 
>>>> here if you are still using it. I think/hope this is the only 
>>>> project still using it anymore.
>>>> Long live Village. Let's Hibernate/EJB3 replace it. =)
>>>> jon

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