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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:28:13 +0200
From: Jakob Braeuchi <jbraeuchi@gmx.ch>
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Subject: Re: OJB usability - part 1 of 5: versioning policy
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hi,

i agree we definitely need a version 1.0 soon !
i also agree that a release candidate should not add additional 
funcionality, but there are user's that claim the cannot use ojb because 
it lacks this specific sexy feature... while others cannot use it 
because there's no 1.0 ;)

just my CHF 0.02
jakob


Dietrich, Harald wrote:

> I am keeping an eye on this project since quite a long time and I have to
> attest Chris, that he is right in at least some of his points.
> If you are complaining that no solutions are presented by the community, you
> have to discern that a lot of potential users (like me) will not switch to a
> project, which has no stable releases. Do you know how dificult it is to
> find out what the status is of this project (btw. Did you ever count the
> request for the status on the user list?). For me it would be essential to
> have a basis to work on and to contribute to. Meanwhile I share the
> misgiving of Chris in "Release Candidates".
> I know that all of you participating in this project wish to have a release.
> But in contrast to Chris I do not expect a full-featured, perfect release
> for the version 1.0 (first!!!).
> My wish would be: If something is not working or not stable - leave it out,
> put it at a later release. Do not think about how to do it better right now,
> do think about how to make it work.
> Sorry for this critics, but it is really a pity that I cannot use OJB.
> 
> -Harald
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clute, Andrew [mailto:Andrew.Clute@osn.state.oh.us]
> Sent: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2003 18:10
> To: 'OJB Developers List'
> Subject: RE: OJB usability - part 1 of 5: versioning policy
> 
> 
> My email was misunderstood -- I wasn't trying to call him to the mat -- he
> had some very good points about specific instances of code that could be
> modified for easier use. I guess I had assumed in order for him to have
> gotten that far in his analysis of the problems, he would have written
> modified code to have gotten to that conclusion. I was curious to look at
> his specific-recommendations for those problems.
> 
> At the same time, I do agree that "Fix it yourself" is not always the best
> mantra, simply because you want to take into account design considerations
> for the entire project. 
> 
> Criticism is always good -- it is even better when a solution is presented
> at the same time.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tmcurry@midamerica.net [mailto:tmcurry@midamerica.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:05 PM
> To: OJB Developers List
> Subject: RE: OJB usability - part 1 of 5: versioning policy
> 
> 
> 
> WHAT?!?!?  With all due respect, you've totally missed the point of his
> emails!!
> 
> I applaud someone for finally putting a foot down here and pointing out that
> this product is no where near being a release candidate.
> 
> Release candidates get BUG fixes, not new components and/or functionality.
> 
> -TMike
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>A general comment based on all five parts of your email:
>>
>>When can we see patches from you to fix these changes?
>>
>>-Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Chris Giordano [mailto:giordano@more.net]
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:51 AM
>>To: ojb-dev@db.apache.org
>>Subject: OJB usability - part 1 of 5: versioning policy
>>
>>
>>OJB developers:
>>
>>The following feedback intends to provide constructive comments to the 
>>OJB developers to improve the project as a whole.  The experiences and 
>>observations are meant to stimulate development of world class 
>>software. An open source dB persistence layer solution is needed and 
>>OJB may be positioned to provide this in the future.
>>
> 
> <snip>
> 
> 
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