Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-db-jdo-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 46419 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2007 23:37:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 18 Jul 2007 23:37:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 37186 invoked by uid 500); 18 Jul 2007 23:37:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jdo-dev-help@db.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: jdo-dev@db.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list jdo-dev@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 37172 invoked by uid 99); 18 Jul 2007 23:37:27 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:37:27 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [192.18.43.132] (HELO sca-es-mail-1.sun.com) (192.18.43.132) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:37:23 -0700 Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l6INavf2002325 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JLE00301ER5JH00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Craig.Russell@Sun.COM) for jdo-dev@db.apache.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (c-24-6-172-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.172.77]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JLE00A6BEXKNR00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for jdo-dev@db.apache.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:36:55 -0700 From: Craig L Russell Subject: Re: DISCUSS remove @Field and @Property; add @Persistent In-reply-to: Sender: Craig.Russell@Sun.COM To: jdo-dev@db.apache.org Cc: JDO Expert Group Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-336185132; micalg=sha1 References: <5D5ABB02-70EA-439E-B8C9-67A471E0F73F@SUN.com> <200707182146.18324.andy@jpox.org> <2935327F-4635-495E-9AED-C159F53A33AB@SUN.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --Apple-Mail-7-336185132 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Looking some more, expanding the search radius: aspect, character, characteristic, facet, idiosyncrasy, indication, mark, note, particularity, peculiarity, point, property, quality, quirk, sign, speciality, symbol, trait, virtue appearance, aspect, attribute, badge, bent, caliber, cast, complex, complexion, constitution, crasis, disposition, emotions, estimation, ethos, frame, genius, grain, habit, humor, kind, makeup, mettle, mood, morale, mystique, nature, personality, quality, record, reputation, repute, sense, set, shape, singularity, specialty, spirit, standing, streak, style, temper, temperament, tone, trait, turn, type, vein affection, aspect, attribute, badge, bag, bearing, bent, caliber, cast, character, complexion, component, differentia, disposition, distinction, earmark, endowment, essence, essential, faculty, flavor, frame, idiosyncrasy, inclination, individuality, mannerism, mark, mood, nature, originality, particularity, peculiarity, personality, point, property, quality, singularity, specialty, streak, stripe, style, symptom, temperament, tendency, thing, thumbprint, tinge, tone, trademark, trait On Jul 18, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: > Top 80 candidates to replace persistent: > > abiding, constant, dependable, diuturnal, enduring, fast, firm, > fixed, impervious, lasting, long-continued, long-lasting, > perdurable, perduring, permanent, persistent, reliable, resistant, > sound, stable, stout, strong, substantial, tenacious, tough, > abiding, ageless, always, amaranthine, boundless, ceaseless, > constant, continual, continued, continuous, dateless, deathless, > enduring, everlasting, forever, illimitable, immemorial, immortal, > immutable, imperishable, incessant, indefinite, indestructible, > infinite, interminable, lasting, never-ending, perdurable, > perennial, permanent, perpetual, persistent, relentless, termless, > timeless, unbroken, unceasing, undying, unending, unfading, > uninterrupted, unremitting, without end > > @WithoutEnd(name="name") > > Craig > > On Jul 18, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: > >> Hi Andy, >> >> On Jul 18, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Andy Jefferson wrote: >> >>> Hi Craig, >>> >>>> It might be a good time (as we're almost done with this) to replace >>>> @Field and @Property with @Persistent. That would make it easier to >>>> describe that either a field or property is being described. >>> >>> While I agree totally with merging @Field and @Property, the use of >>> @Persistent is not appropriate. >>> >>> @PersistenceCapable >>> public class MyClass >>> { >>> @Persistent(persistenceModifier=FieldPersistenceModifier.NONE) >> >> This is another anomaly: FieldPersistenceModifier should become >> PersistenceModifier. >> >>> String someFieldThatIsNotPersistent >>> } >>> >>> >>> so I tag a field that is not persistent with @Persistent ? >> >> Doesn't bother me as much as duplicating Field/Property all over. >> >> How about creating a new tag like @NotPersistent. To go along with >> @Transactional and @Persistent. >>> >>> Any other idea for name? that suggests field/method/property ? >> >> Since you agree with the direction, I'll try to plumb the depths >> of my vocabulary... >> >> Craig >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Andy (Java Persistent Objects - http://www.jpox.org) >> >> Craig Russell >> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/ >> jdo >> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com >> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! >> > > Craig Russell > Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo > 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com > P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! > Craig Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? 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