Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-db-jdo-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 10702 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 17:47:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 17:47:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 96844 invoked by uid 500); 6 Oct 2006 17:47:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jdo-dev-help@db.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: jdo-dev@db.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list jdo-dev@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 96661 invoked by uid 99); 6 Oct 2006 17:47:45 -0000 Received: from idunn.apache.osuosl.org (HELO idunn.apache.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.84) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:47:45 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10 Received: from [192.18.42.249] ([192.18.42.249:38598] helo=nwk-ea-fw-1.sun.com) by idunn.apache.osuosl.org (ecelerity 2.1.1.8 r(12930)) with ESMTP id 8D/97-24193-8F596254 for ; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:44:24 -0700 Received: from d1-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.39.119]) by nwk-ea-fw-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k96HiLcm011831 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.d1-sfbay-09.sun.com by d1-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0J6Q00K016IY3Z00@d1-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from Craig.Russell@Sun.COM) for jdo-dev@db.apache.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.145.133.119] by d1-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0J6Q00AVG6LWCX50@d1-sfbay-09.sun.com> for jdo-dev@db.apache.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:44:14 -0700 From: Craig L Russell Subject: Minutes: JDO TCK Conference Call Friday, Oct 6, 9 am PDT Sender: Craig.Russell@Sun.COM To: Apache JDO project , JDO Expert Group Message-id: <9AE538C2-9B69-4C52-9B65-1BB7BB21F50D@SUN.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary=Apple-Mail-86--686652645; micalg=sha1 References: <4525E18C.30308@sun.com> X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --Apple-Mail-86--686652645 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-85--686654870 --Apple-Mail-85--686654870 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Attendees: Matthew Adams, Michelle Caisse, Michael Bouschen, Martin Zaun, Craig Russell Agenda: 1. Test challenge issues and status: All but one challenge have been resolved. Challenge 9 has been accepted and is pending a patch for 2.0.1. Challenge 10 will need to be split into multiple challenges because some are valid and some are not. 10a, 10b, 10c, and 10d are Michelle's suggestions. Some more research is needed on whether serializing a deleted instance is legal. In any case, the deleted instance should not be treated as detached at serialization. Persistent-nontransactional-dirty instances should not be allowed to be serialized. 2. Reflection based implementations: No one opposed it; Ilan Kirsch liked it. No one volunteered to help with the work. This work will be dropped from 2.1 unless someone volunteers to help. 3. JDOQL subquery proposal: No reply to Craig's reply to Wes and Michael; assume it is the basis for moving forward. 4. Other issues Discussion on a method by which the user could get a reference to a thread-local PersistenceManager. This would allow web applications to use an application static to store the PersistenceManager. AI Craig: discuss on expert group alias. JDO-430 Why is there a mapped-by attribute on element element? We already have it on the field. Answer: for convenience it might be better for the user to put the mapping information into an element under field or embedded. AI Michelle change the test case to use field mapped-by instead of element mapped-by. Action Items from weeks past: [Sep 15 2006] AI Craig discuss a request for enhancement of the TCK to permit reflective implementations on aliases. Done. No one opposed it; Ilan Kirsch liked it. No one volunteered to help with the work. [Sep 1 2006] AI Matthew: look into a cleaner separation for object model vs. mapping annotations. AI Craig check into default handling to accommodate different defaults based on context. In progress. [Sep 1 2006] AI Michael and Craig: propose spec updates for JDOQL subqueries for community review. In progress. Wes Biggs proposed a new API that allows both single-string and API versions of subqueries that looks good. [Sep 1 2006] AI Michelle update download page to refer to ibiblio (JDO-406). Done. [Aug 11 2006] AI Craig propose some semantics for behavior if user tries to add to a list where the ordering element is incorrect. [Aug 4 2006] AI: Craig call for a negative vote to approve returning a copy from getFetchGroups. Done. [Jul 14 2006] AI: Erik document 220 annotations that don't have a corresponding JDO concept. [Jul 14 2006] AI Erik write up JPOX behavior for deletion of objects when foreign-key is present. Done. [Jun 23 2006] AI Craig update ChangeLog and ChangeLog15 pages and ask for review by EG. AI Martin look at what Hibernate and TopLink support for Enum types. In progress. [Jun 2 2006] Additional query tests for projecting variables are in Craig's workspace. AI Craig: file a JIRA with patches to be reviewed. [Apr 14 2006] AI Craig: update the roadmap for JDO. In progress. [Nov 4 2005] AI Martin: Update Martin's wiki with discusion of JDK 1.5 issues. In progress [Sep 2 2005] AI: To recruit members, update the web site. Articles on TheServerSide directing attention to the site. T-shirts, logo. AI: Craig write a ServerSide article. Craig Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! --Apple-Mail-85--686654870 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Attendees: Matthew Adams, Michelle Caisse, Michael = Bouschen, Martin Zaun, Craig Russell

Agenda:

1.=A0 Test challenge issues and = status: All but one challenge have been resolved. Challenge 9 has been = accepted and is pending a patch for 2.0.1. Challenge 10 will need to be = split into multiple challenges because some are valid and some are not. = 10a, 10b, 10c, and 10d are Michelle's suggestions. Some more research is = needed on whether serializing a deleted instance is legal. In any case, = the deleted instance should not be treated as detached at serialization. = Persistent-nontransactional-dirty instances should not be allowed to be = serialized.

2.=A0 = Reflection based implementations:=A0No one opposed it; Ilan = Kirsch liked it. No one volunteered to help with the work. This work = will be dropped from 2.1 unless someone volunteers to help.

3.=A0 JDOQL subquery proposal: No = reply to Craig's reply to Wes and Michael; assume it is the basis for = moving forward.

4.=A0 = Other issues
Discussion on = a method by which the user could get a reference to a thread-local = PersistenceManager. This would allow web applications to use an = application static to store the PersistenceManager. AI Craig: discuss on = expert group alias.

JDO-430 Why is there a mapped-by attribute on element element? = We already have it on the field. Answer: for=A0convenience it might be = better for the user to put the mapping information into an element under = field or embedded. AI Michelle change the test case to use field = mapped-by instead of element mapped-by.

Action Items from weeks past:

[Sep 15 = 2006]=A0 AI Craig discuss a = request for enhancement of the TCK to permit=A0 reflective implementations on = aliases. Done. No one opposed it; Ilan Kirsch liked it. No one = volunteered to help with the work.

[Sep 1 2006] AI Matthew: look = into a cleaner separation for object model vs. mapping annotations. AI = Craig=A0 check into default = handling to accommodate different defaults based=A0 on context. In = progress.

[Sep 1 2006] AI Michael and Craig: propose spec = updates for JDOQL subqueries for community=A0 review. In progress. Wes = Biggs proposed a new API that allows both single-string and API versions = of subqueries that looks good.

[Sep 1 2006] AI Michelle update = download page to refer to ibiblio (JDO-406).=A0Done.

[Aug 11 = 2006] AI Craig propose some semantics for behavior if user tries to add = to a list where the ordering element is incorrect.=A0

[Aug 4 = 2006] AI: Craig call for a negative vote to approve returning a copy = from getFetchGroups. Done.

[Jul 14 2006] AI: Erik document = 220 annotations that don't have a=A0= corresponding JDO concept.

[Jul 14 2006] AI Erik write up = JPOX behavior for deletion of objects=A0 when foreign-key is present. = Done.

[Jun 23 2006]=A0= AI Craig update ChangeLog and ChangeLog15 pages and ask for = review by EG. AI=A0 Martin = look at what Hibernate and TopLink support for Enum types. In = progress.

[Jun 2 2006] Additional query tests for projecting = variables are in Craig's workspace. AI=A0 Craig: file a JIRA with = patches to be reviewed.

[Apr 14 2006] AI Craig: update = the roadmap for JDO. In progress.

[Nov 4 2005] AI Martin: Update = Martin's wiki with discusion of JDK=A01.5 issues. In = progress

[Sep 2 2005] AI: To recruit members, update the web = site. Articles on TheServerSide directing attention to the site. = T-shirts, logo. AI:=A0 = Craig write a ServerSide article.

Craig Russell

Architect, Sun Java = Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo=

408 = 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com

P.S. A = good JDO? O, Gasp!


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