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From Craig Russell <Craig.Russ...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: Embedded collections of non-PC objects
Date Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:51:11 GMT
Hi Andy,

Is it possible to default the value of the <field> serialized  
attribute to "true" for embedded non-PC types? That would immediately  
solve our current Collection, Set, and Map issues, without having  
extra stuff in the metadata file.

The .jdo file specifies the embedded-element, embedded-key, and  
embedded-value attributes for the relevant fields, so simply changing  
the defaults would make it all work.

I looked at the spec again and it doesn't look like the serialized  
attribute should be required, so it would be better if it were  

The embedded attribute specifies whether the field should be stored  
as part of the containing instance instead of as its own instance in  
the datastore. It must be specified or default to "true" for fields  
of primitive types, wrappers, java.lang, java.math, java.util,  
collection, map, and array types specified above; and "false"  
otherwise. While a compliant implementation is permitted to support  
these types as first class instances in the datastore, the semantics  
of embedded=”true” imply containment. That is, the embedded instances  
have no independent existence in the datastore and have no Extent  
The semantics of embedded applied to collection, map, and array types  
applies to the structure of the type, not to the elements, keys, and  
values. That is, the collection itself is considered separate from  
its contents. These may separately be specified to be embedded or  
not, using embedded-element, embedded-key, and embedded-value  
attributes of the collection, array, and map elements.
The embedded attribute applied to a field of a persistence-capable  
type is a hint to the implementation to treat the field as if it were  
a Second Class Object. But this behavior is not further specified and  
is not portable.



On Jul 14, 2005, at 10:36 AM, Andy Jefferson wrote:

>> So I think it is a requirement for the Reference Implementation...
>> To help clarify this for the TCK, we can/should add the "serialized"
>> attribute to the columns in the metadata that are embedded.
> Next nightly build of JPOX will have basic support for fields of
> collections/maps declared as "serialized". This should get around  
> the initial
> schema issues about join tables/columns etc.
> -- 
> Andy
> Java Persistent Objects - JPOX

Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!

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