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From "Cees de Groot" <cdegr...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Apache DB subproject proposal: JDBM
Date Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:53:30 GMT
:Hi Jean,

Thanks for your comments and suggestions. I'll put the proposal on the
wiki as soon as I have some time - I'm off to The Server Side in
Prague tomorrow, so whether it will be this week I don't know :)



On 6/14/08, Jean T. Anderson <jta@bristowhill.com> wrote:
> Hi, Cees,
> JDBM certainly looks interesting!
> One clarification about process is the project would still enter
> incubation, but sponsored by Apache DB.  On graduation, it would then
> join Apache DB as a subproject -- or possibly even as its own top level
> project. (For example, Apache Derby and JDO were sponsored by Apache DB,
> and graduated as DB subprojects. Apache Cayenne was sponsored by Apache
> DB, but graduated as a TLP. ) Exact destination gets determined at
> graduation time -- but talk of graduation is leaping way too far ahead
> for this discussion.  :-)
> The Incubator proposal template will help guide discussion on this list:
>    http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#proposal-template
> You can add a JDBM proposal to the Incubator wiki:
>    http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/
> I'd especially like to hear more about your thoughts regarding this comment:
>> There have been some concerns about the continuity of the package,
>> although the original contributors are still active.
> Apache is about community -- and no project graduates from the Incubator
> without demonstrating that it has a community diverse and strong enough
> to manage that code base moving forward. You stated a commitment to keep
> JDBM alive -- how about the other contributors? --I'm keying in on this
> risk mentioned in the template:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#template-orphaned-products
>> I sincerely hope the Apache DB project will consider adoption of the code
>> base.
> Again, Apache is about communities. We just need to make sure that
> everyone understands that.
> Since I pulled out a couple comments, possibly without adequate context,
> I'm including your entire original post down below.
> I look forward to hearing more about JDBM.
> regards,
>  -jean
> Cees de Groot wrote:
>> (Currently: http://jdbm.sourceforge.net/)
>> JDBM is an 8-year old open source library currently under a custom
>> (original-BSD-style) license created by me in 2000 as the result of
>> some chat with folks from Intalio and extended by a number of persons
>> since then, most notably Alex Boisvert. It mainly aims to give similar
>> functionality as GDBM but it adds transactions and btrees/htrees. As
>> its goals were (and are) simplicity and robustness, after an initial
>> flurry of development the package has been mostly stable and is in
>> use/has been used by a number of high profile projects
>> (http://jdbm.sourceforge.net/JDBM-Powered.html).
>> There have been some concerns about the continuity of the package,
>> although the original contributors are still active. ApacheDS already
>> includes a (temprary) fork in the code base, and the main question the
>> mailing list receives is along the line "does it still work?" (answer:
>> yes, it does - that fact that the stable release is 3 years old means
>> that we haven't received any serious bug reports since then, I figure
>> ;-)).
>> While we were discussing the future of JDBM on SourceForge (people
>> want to move to Codehaus because of the better tools), Emmanuel
>> Lecharny (ApacheDS) suggested that we'd consider Apache DB as a new
>> home, and I think it is an extremely good idea for obvious reasons
>> (continuity, exposure, peace of mind for Apache DS and other users).
>> JDBM still fills a good niche, IMO, and would be a worthwhile addition
>> to the Apache DB project. At the moment, I'm busy modernizing JDBM:
>> - Move from Ant to Maven (mostly done);
>> - Move from Junit3 to Junit4;
>> - Move to JDK1.5+, most notably by adding generics.
>> - Move from jdbm.* to a package name that is in accordance with the
>> rules of ibiblio et al. for release.
>> - Re-license under ASL/MIT/BSD ("something in that particular corner
>> of the open source licensing jungle").
>> The first three points are underway, the package rename depends
>> partially on its new home, and re-licensing requires some discussion
>> and a vote but the contributors so far are quite relaxed on licensing
>> (how refreshing!).
>> Personally, as OC, I am very much committed to keeping JDBM alive. I
>> have a bit over 2 decades of experience with working in Free
>> Software/Open Source Software environments (starting with an fast
>> ANSI.SYS replacement, distributed over Fidonet, in the '80s :)), among
>> others I contributed to early Linux kernels, helped with the port of
>> Java to Linux as a member of the Blackdown team, ran the
>> Linuxdoc/SGMLtools projects and I have been active in various
>> Smalltak-related communities, most notably the Squeak community
>> (squeak.org). So I hope I qualify the "open source experience"
>> requirement. As to the other main contributors, I leave it to them to
>> chime in.
>> I sincerely hope the Apache DB project will consider adoption of the code
>> base.
>> Regards,
>> Cees

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